Baller SkiKolb Posted August 30, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 30, 2016 I am selling engine to get zo in my 1997 SN 196. The gt40 runs great. The listing is on sia http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?endless=summer&topic=Search&category=Parts_Engine&postid=38820 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Bruce_Butterfield Posted August 30, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted August 30, 2016 I did the same upgrade to my '97 a few years ago and ended up selling the GT-40 to a guy in the northwest who had a frozen block over the winter. That is probably the best market for a used GT-40. You may need to wait until spring, but be patient. If it was easy, they would call it Wakeboarding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted August 30, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted August 30, 2016 Wow. If I knew mine was worth that (1100hrs) I may have to reconsider doing the same. Had no idea the value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BrennanKMN Posted August 30, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 30, 2016 I am going to have to keep an eye on this. I have contemplated repowering my 97, but always assumed that it would be smarter to just sell it and get into a 2008 196. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted August 30, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 30, 2016 Would have converted years ago if I lived near Jody. Big hassle and expense getting it down there to him. When discussing it at a tourney he told me what a GT40 was worth and he could sell it after the conversion. AT this point, as the value continues to fall faster in the TSC3 market than the bubble butt I'm holding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted August 30, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted August 30, 2016 A bit of back ground info about re-powering. As time goes by so does the technology. The marineizers are now into the LS family of engines and the small block Chevy is fast coming to an end. Like the Ford in the past these marinizer's are obsoleting the small block and in the real near future a new complete NON Catalytic re-power engine will be unavailable. Currently by law we are not to repower anything older then 1988 and that number will change every year. GT-40 engines are worth what one can get for them. I part them out as a good 300-M ECM is worth about $500-$700, Hot rodder's like the 351w for rebuild and the fact it is an obsolete commodity $300-$750. The exhaust manifolds & risers half of new $500. Marine oil pans are NLA for the ford and a welded up fabed pan is $350 so the pull off oil pan can be worth $200. Also many do not know that Volvo marine used the exact EFI component's as PCM so there is a used market there. One other thing to consider each and every year the engine company's hike their prices 3-7%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted August 30, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 30, 2016 @Jody_Seal if someone were to bring a 1987 boat into your shop what would you tell the client? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted August 30, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted August 30, 2016 @BraceMaker Let's rebuild it!! With modern components. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rodltg2 Posted August 30, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 30, 2016 Sounds like I could part out my boat and trailer for more than selling it whole ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller sunperch Posted August 30, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 30, 2016 We sold our GT-40 with 1700hrs for $2500 1 1/2 yrs ago, and could have gotten more. We had it sold contingent on a good compression test when another buyer demanded to buy it for $3000. Motor passed compression test so we sold it to the first guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted August 30, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 30, 2016 OK, I gotta ask - why? Why are people willing to pay that kind of money for an old 351W when you can buy a rebuilt long block with GT40 heads on it for $2900? Some kind of Nautique induced dementia? Unless you find some hillbilly with a mullet and a Bronco you can hardly give away a 351W in the automotive world. (Lets count the dislikes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller SkiKolb Posted August 30, 2016 Author Baller Share Posted August 30, 2016 Maybe I have it priced too low!! @sunperch how/where did you advertise yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jordan Posted August 30, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 30, 2016 @Jody_Seal what is the logic in outlawing the repowering of older boats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted August 31, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted August 31, 2016 @Jordan . It is a EPA thing! Big brother! Contact your congressman as they endorsed the law! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Bruce_Butterfield Posted August 31, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted August 31, 2016 @oldjeep, simple - its the marinization components. If you bought a 351 long block from your local rebuild shop, you have to swap raw water pump, exhaust, trans cooler, etc. If you do it yourself, maybe not too bad, but if you have to pay someone you're looking at 10-20 hrs labor at shop rates. Oh yeah, then there's the motor mounts. Try adding ski boat motor mounts to an auto engine if you haven't done that before. A GT-40 out of a ski boat, it will drop right into another one with relative ease. FWIW, I sold mine for $1500 and the buyer paid shipping, which wasn't cheap. We both got a good deal. If it was easy, they would call it Wakeboarding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller wtrskior Posted August 31, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2016 @Jody_Seal As I understand the epa regs they are effective 2010+ models. What are thw 1988 regs you mention? Link? Can you elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted August 31, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted August 31, 2016 @wtrskior Every new complete Non cat engine I buy must be accompanied with an affidavit of installation signed and returned back to pleasure craft marine group. It asks serial # of vessel it was installed in and what happened to the engine that came out , (Did I scrap it?). As per law these engine's are not to be installed in anything older then 1988. We all can thank our government for this.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller wtrskior Posted August 31, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2016 @Jody_Seal excuse my skepticism but can you provide a link to those requirements? The EPA regs I've researched in the past only indicate that you can't install aftermarket catalytic converters on these boats. Most 1988 boats would be straight pipes anyways; just repower to OEM. Frankly I don't really see an issue as the old boats are pretty simple. short and long blocks are readily available from the aftermarket, as are trannys and holley carbs, all at very reasonable prices. The rest of the equipment is pretty straight forward as well. I don't easily fall for the fear mongering so you'll have to elaborate.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted August 31, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2016 @Bruce_Butterfield - FWIW that longblock price I quoted is for a marine 351W from one of the major engine sources not a Bronco motor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted August 31, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2016 @Jody_Seal - if I brought you my boat and had you order a repower from a 3rd party like Michigan Motorz you'd probably not have that issue correct? It is only that the OE engine source is causing you a restriction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jordan Posted August 31, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2016 Is the EPA regulation simply about moving to cat equipped engines? Could you put a cat equipped new engine in an older hull? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted August 31, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted August 31, 2016 Code CFR 1068.240b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller SkiKolb Posted August 31, 2016 Author Baller Share Posted August 31, 2016 I am putting a pcm 343 CAT engine in the 1997 SN 196. Looks like I may have the gt40 sold! Any ballers interested? Last call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScarletArrow Posted August 31, 2016 Baller Share Posted August 31, 2016 @SkiKolb When do I get my commission check? 10% right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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