Baller Rob Posted January 6, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 6, 2017 Hey all, I have some questions about the Edge and Syndicate boots. The similarities between two is obvious. Are these in fact the same boot? Is it something HO licensed from Travers? Is the design actually from Travers or is it HO's? Anyone know what the real deal is here? Thanks! Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted January 6, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 6, 2017 There is a thread on here about the Edge and it's relationship to the HO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted January 6, 2017 Administrators Share Posted January 6, 2017 @rob Airkide is the French company that owns Reflex. Airkide also owns the patent / design for the Reflex system. Airkide has licensed the design and supplies the release mechanism hardware to HO & Edge. HO and Edge cooperate with each other but are clearly different entities. Below is an exact quote from Edge: Reflex just supplies the release mechanisms of Edge. This is the only and unique relationship that Reflex has with Edge. Edge is a "made in Orlando Company". Every decision and product improvements are done independantly in the USA. The Edge, Reflex and HO bindings are 3 different and competitive products. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Gloersen Posted January 6, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 6, 2017 3 sets on the Edge system - so far, so good. Notably improved "connection" through the forefoot was using Reflex PS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted January 6, 2017 Administrators Share Posted January 6, 2017 Does anybody want to guess on how to correctly pronounce "Airkide"? Rhymes with....? Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Edmund Posted January 6, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 6, 2017 Try the southern pronunciation of "Hey there kid." Heh're kid...get out of my yard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted January 8, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 8, 2017 @Edmund cool! I didn't realize that @MS was affiliated with these products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller liquid d Posted February 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 13, 2017 binding plates, the release mech and a back boot ...make me a silly offer. I took the front mechanism and bolted directly to a full plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller liquid d Posted February 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 13, 2017 oops here's photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted February 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 13, 2017 Just got my HO boot heat molded the liner and it is sweet. the shell is a lower volume then a Reflex was in a reflex 8 now in a HO size 10 shell. cant wait for the ice to melt on the pond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skialex Posted February 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 13, 2017 @Deanoski does your foot seats higher in Edge/HO than in Reflex? I'm very interested in the Edge/HO system. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skialex Posted February 13, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 13, 2017 @Deanoski does your foot seats higher in Edge/HO than in Reflex? I'm very interested in the Edge/HO system. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted February 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 14, 2017 @skialex stand height at The heel is the same. Maybe a little more. Toe ramp Boot has great progressive flex for and aft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted February 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 14, 2017 @skialex stand height at The heel is the same. Maybe a little more. Toe ramp Boot has great progressive flex for and aft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skialex Posted February 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 14, 2017 I use the undershell spacer so maybe heel hight would not defer much, HO will be available soon or already is (in Greece), so I'll take a closer look as soon as possible. Thank you @Deanoski ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skialex Posted February 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 14, 2017 I use the undershell spacer so maybe heel hight would not defer much, HO will be available soon or already is (in Greece), so I'll take a closer look as soon as possible. Thank you @Deanoski ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mundo Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 I do understand from previous posts that HO and EDGE are two completely separate entities and that there has been some sort of colaboration to produce this binding using a propietary design from Airkide (Release mechanism). The question is: If I am in the market for one of these boots and want to decide which way to go is there actually any difference worth noting between the edge boot and the syndycate hardshell? All the pictures I have seen they seem too similar, I have not been able to spot a single difference but the Company logo. Anybody who has actually seen both can comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mundo Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 I do understand from previous posts that HO and EDGE are two completely separate entities and that there has been some sort of colaboration to produce this binding using a propietary design from Airkide (Release mechanism). The question is: If I am in the market for one of these boots and want to decide which way to go is there actually any difference worth noting between the edge boot and the syndycate hardshell? All the pictures I have seen they seem too similar, I have not been able to spot a single difference but the Company logo. Anybody who has actually seen both can comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DanE Posted February 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 14, 2017 Liners appear different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DanE Posted February 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 14, 2017 Liners appear different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted February 15, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 15, 2017 @mundo price at least from what I've seen there can be differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted February 15, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 15, 2017 @mundo price at least from what I've seen there can be differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mundo Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 @6balls That is precisely my point, is there any difference besides the price, and the liner which sells saparately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mundo Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 @6balls That is precisely my point, is there any difference besides the price, and the liner which sells saparately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller IronR1 Posted February 15, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 15, 2017 HO and Edge are similar, only the name and color change. I received my Edge boot in a HO box!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller IronR1 Posted February 15, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 15, 2017 HO and Edge are similar, only the name and color change. I received my Edge boot in a HO box!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted February 18, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 18, 2017 The edge has a none heat. Moldable And the. HO. Is a heat. Mold able liner with strap. That's the only difference other than color Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted February 18, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 18, 2017 The price difference my guess is in the liner upgrade the HO boot has Ho 649. Edge 578. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted February 21, 2017 Administrators Share Posted February 21, 2017 I got some clarification on this today. The difference between the current Edge and Syndicate systems are mostly just the liner and the price. So how to choose? With the Syndicate version you get a very good heat moldable liner AND the company behind the product (warrantee, service, history). The Syndicate version is available from dealers like PerfSki. With the Edge version you save about $70 dollars and order direct from Edge. The liner is ok and I would assume the in the future it will get better. I like dealing with shops like PerfSki and I trust HO but I also like to save $70. You have to make up your own mind. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakeski Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 I spoke with JT directly about this at the Chicago Boat Show a few weeks back. Confirmed - the only difference is the liner and paint color. The plates are identical and the shells are the same. JT uses an HO liner in his Edge boot for what it is worth... (I do not know if I am allowed to say that or not...) :smile: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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