Baller addkerr Posted February 20, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 20, 2017 The off season has been a busy one, and I'm a bit out of it. Just checked the moomba masters site and says: Check 2017 for Gate Rule Change 14.08. Whats the change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller auskier Posted February 20, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 20, 2017 We will be using the world rule from the year 2000. "14.08: A miss or "Riding Over" It is a miss to ride inside a buoy or outside the entrance or end gate or to ride over, straddle or jump over a buoy or gate buoy; but there is no penalty for grazing a buoy with a ski or part of the body. "Riding over" shall be defined as hitting a buoy with the ski so as to move it significantly from it position or temporarily sink it. Hitting a buoy less severely shall be considered as "grazing." A skier shall be judged as missing the entry or exit gate when the ski passes entirely and clearly outside the gate buoy." In other words, get a piece of the gate ball with your ski and your gates will be given. If there is clear space between the ski and the gate ball, they will be pulled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted February 20, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 20, 2017 Well that should be everywhere, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted February 21, 2017 Administrators Share Posted February 21, 2017 Considering the current and the oddities of the river the gate balls are not always where they are supposed to be. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted February 21, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted February 21, 2017 @Horton Eight feet of bungee on the gate balls doesn't help either! Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted February 21, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 21, 2017 Innocent question, but wy not use super thin spectra up to an appropriate depth then use bungie from there up? The goal beign to minimize drag and variation for the majority of the depth so as to reduce the water-current's impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klindy Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 @ToddL a sub-buoy is needed to keep the buoys from floating around too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted February 21, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 21, 2017 Maybe that sub-buoy could be engineered for low resistance to reduce the current's push on it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller disland Posted February 21, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 21, 2017 IWWF has mandated that a GPS receiver be on each buoy with real time telemetry globaly propogated by internet with satelite back up. It will be monitored by a control station in NYC by the designated buoy rules judge. The buoy judge in NYC will call to Australia to enforce a reride in case of 1mm deviation. There will be a back up control station monitoring the NYC station 24 hrs a day to ensure redundancy. IWWF is mandating that all 2017 tournaments class C and above implement this technology or scores for the ranking list will not count. This is critical to ensure no one is cheating their gates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted February 21, 2017 Administrators Share Posted February 21, 2017 @disland STOP Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klindy Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 @disland I had no idea your company did all that too!! Impressive for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ntx Posted February 22, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 22, 2017 @Horton OMG ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!! If that does not get a quadruple panda......there is a real problem. I think I might have to go back to skifly. @disland I love you man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller auskier Posted February 22, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 22, 2017 @lpskier if you are suggesting that there is 8' long bungee on the gates at moomba, you couldn't be any more wrong. @ToddL The buoy lines are virtually no stretch very thin lines that go down to the cross wire. Believe me, so many different methods have been tried over the years. Every element of the course and how it is setup has a very good reason for being the way it is given the challenges of the site. Frank and Dave who manage the course have been doing it for over 25 years each and have seen it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted February 22, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 22, 2017 @auskier - Ah... I had hoped so! I just couldn't believe that it had 8ft of bungie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Edbrazil Posted February 22, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 22, 2017 Should be at least some tension band on endgates. AWSA recommends 16 inches. Also, I presume that there is a breakaway feature, so if the towboat snags a buoy, the force won't be translated to the course structure. Thinking of US Nationals 1975, for example. Having some stretch capability means that the buoy can rise and fall easier when wakes hit it, vs. getting swamped over. Somewhat the least of the worries there, compared to what the river can produce. I do remember deep-draft boats cruising down the Yarra when the course was in place and the river supposedly closed. And hacking out the crosslines. I expect that situation is a lot better under control these days. In summary, a more liberal gate rule makes sense there. Zero chance of a World Record in the Slalom events. Wonder if they have Cl. video and gate cameras? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller auskier Posted February 23, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 23, 2017 @Edbrazil I am the TC. Of course we will have video gates. Have done so for many years now. Video from the boat for slalom is a different story all together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Edbrazil Posted February 23, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 23, 2017 How about centerline video there? Would have to be done from the city end, but the river bends enough so the camera can be on shore. Nice to see about video gates. There used to be great live video from the boat when HSV7 was covering the entire event with professional gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller auskier Posted February 23, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 23, 2017 Yes, end course too. We do not bend any rules when it comes to meeting L or R rules. Its easy to have a very good EC image because of the close proximity at the city end. For the last few years we have had a PTZ camera run by fibre optic back to the tower. Its very nice to have full HD images. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Edbrazil Posted February 24, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 24, 2017 Good news. I worked as an official there from 1982--1991 inclusive. One of the things that I found out was that the SL course was skewed. When that got fixed, 38 off was run for the first time there. I would still recommend that the SL be run as a ca$h event, but not as an R. Too many variables at a river site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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