Baller cragginshred Posted October 16, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 16, 2017 I went from a PB Oct 6th to two of my worst ski days ever Fri/Sun. Water is faster and harder when colder. How do you compensate? Likely just reps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted October 16, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 16, 2017 Stay warm! Body doesn't work right when cold and covered by rubber. Also, might try a little more depth on fin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jayski Posted October 16, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 16, 2017 The great debate/lesson... the water is slower, not faster :) I am sure this is the most recurring yearly thread @Horton ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jerrym Posted October 16, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 16, 2017 Please don't let the endless summer come to an end....no, no, no....getting an ice cream headache just thinking about the cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jedgell Posted October 16, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 16, 2017 I could be wrong, but my understanding is that the water is actually softer and slower. It feels fast likely because you're skiing narrow. Try decreasing your wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gavski Posted October 16, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 16, 2017 Firstly, take 1deg off your wing...this will free up the ski and make it move again.. Secondly, (excuse the metric numers)...for every deg C the water is colder than 20degC, take 0.2kph off the speed...eg water temp 18 deg C = speed reduction of 0.4kph...i regularly ski in water that has huge temp variations and this really works... I can be down to 56kph at home (water temp 10degC) and the next set (back in orlando) up to 58kph and the ski and scores will feel the same - apart from the cold extremities etc etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gsm_peter Posted October 16, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 16, 2017 If I understand the physics correct. Water friction is lower for cold water. Density is about the same. I fond skiing to be more difficult in colder water.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller cragginshred Posted October 16, 2017 Author Baller Share Posted October 16, 2017 @gavski so if fin is at 9* usually go to 8* ? I had never heard this -good to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted October 16, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 16, 2017 I don’t change my fin between Minnesota and Florida. I cannot be of service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BCM Posted October 16, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 16, 2017 Make sure your body is warm and unrestricted. I ski all winter and don't touch my fin. I do make sure that I am wearing proper gear for the weather that doesn't restrict motion. My old full neo drysuit was warm but terribly restrictive, I skied like garbage in it. When the water gets cold I am comfortable in a 2mm top, but my body is just a little stiff, I ski like garbage. In my baggy top drysuit I am warm and unrestricted, I ski as well as I did in August. Before I figured out my warmth/movement issue I hated skiing in the winter, now I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller cragginshred Posted October 16, 2017 Author Baller Share Posted October 16, 2017 @BCM my old O'neil assault took a crap they warrantied it with the new style that does not have the baggy top. It's warm but very restrictive. Yesterday was day one in it and I did not make one pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted October 16, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 16, 2017 Camaro wetsuits are remarkably warm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted October 17, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 17, 2017 Fly south! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BCM Posted October 17, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 17, 2017 @cragginshred I picked one of these up last winter. I wear a spray leg on the back leg. I notice a tiny bit of drag in the turns but not enough to change anything. I can layer underneath and have full mobility. The full neo suit I had was an old hand-me-down and was bulky as could be. I like that the baggy suit is just a water barrier and I add insulation as necessary. I was hesitant to go full baggy, but I am happy I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gregy Posted October 17, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 17, 2017 I usually slow the boat down about 1 mph and just work on staying in shape and technique. Don't worry about PB's much. I moved the fine back on my 16 Vapor because the tip was getting sensitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gavski Posted October 17, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 17, 2017 @cragginshred - correct...9* to 8*...you will notice the difference right from your gate pull out... I will almost take alternate sets in water that will have a huge temp range...i am fortunate enough to ski in florida every 2 weeks.. i have even manage to ski on snow, ski in Florida and ski at home all in one week....so i have a regular comparison between the different water qualities. In the recent Mapple Pro-Am, the no1 skier in the world took about 6 sets before he could adjust to cold water...and the water was about 20degC.... There is definately a sweet spot...anything above 34C/94F and the ski sits too deep in the water...reducing the wing by 1deg helped enormously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DanE Posted October 17, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 17, 2017 Put the boat on trailer. Winterize. Put the boat in storage. Get back at it in the spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller OldboyII Posted October 17, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 17, 2017 Flex of the ski also changes in colder water. It may be two different animals at 7C and 27C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted October 17, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 17, 2017 My winter strategy is to fly back to Florida when possible, too old for that , Breaking the Ice thing and putting your hands and feet in buckets of hot water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller SkiJay Posted October 17, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 17, 2017 @scotchipman You've got the right idea but the order reversed on the following. I've found the best setups to be cold water setups, and that a good "cold" water setup will remain a good setup as the water gets "warmer." On the other hand, warm water can mask or forgive small setup deficiencies. So what seems a good warm water setup may deteriorate as the water gets colder. Accordingly, this may be the best time of year to work on your setup because your skiing is at its peak, and you can find cool water on warm days. The perfect scenario is a warm, sunny, fall day in 60° water. The warm sunny part is for the muscles and attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted October 17, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 17, 2017 @SkiJay -- interesting. All of my setups have been done in colder water. Pretty much the warmest it gets in MN lakes is mid-70s. When I go to warmer water it feels fine. As an example, last year I ran 38 off in Florida one day in October, the very next day ran it in MN in a drysuit - no changes to setup and they both felt similar to me. Water temp difference was more than 20 degrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller SkiJay Posted October 17, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 17, 2017 @Razorskier1 The Great Nate once told me he felt the same way, specifically that the setups he used in off-season cold water in Indiana worked fine anywhere else he went in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller cragginshred Posted October 17, 2017 Author Baller Share Posted October 17, 2017 @DanE ha ha! However, I live in Cali not Minnesota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimbrake Posted October 17, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 17, 2017 @cragginshred - you have to leave now. You said "Cali". Please turn in your California card. Alternatively, you may attend mandatory repatriation classes. There are several upcoming in Santa Cruz, Pismo Beach, Santa Barbara, Ventura, Malibu, Santa Monica, Manhattan Beach, Hermosa, Redondo, PV, Seal Beach, Long Beach, Huntington, Newport, Laguna, Dana Pt., San Clemente, Oceanside, Carlsbad, all North County SD towns, San Diego, and Imperial Beach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller cragginshred Posted October 18, 2017 Author Baller Share Posted October 18, 2017 @jimbrake ha! Sorry too lazy to type Ca................ Can I say Nor Cal or would that put me in a worse classification? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller UWSkier Posted October 18, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 18, 2017 For me, being a bit too big for my ski, I really like skiing in colder water as it seems to expand my performance envelope a bit. Ski isn't as sensitive to the very minute body position things in cold water as it is when it's warmer. That and your hands are like iron. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimbrake Posted October 18, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 18, 2017 @cragginshred - ha. Just poking. I know I can't stop the "Cali" tide. NorCal is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted October 19, 2017 Baller Share Posted October 19, 2017 Slow the boat down a mph and have fun and be grearful you don't have ice skates on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegile Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 @cragginshred is there cold water in "Cali"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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