Baller_ Wish Posted April 6, 2019 Baller_ Share Posted April 6, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DSP Posted April 6, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 6, 2019 I was using double hard shell Reflex like Terry Winter until this past fall when I just started using the R Style Reflex with a full thin Reflex liner. I like it. I can tighten it up over the top of my foot and feel almost as secure as a the rear boot without the rear binding plate hardware drag. I can slip my rear foot out without difficulty both during a crash or upon finishing a set. While I’m still trying to figure out the ideal rear liner, (The Reflex R Style liner is pretty thick and the Reflex thin liner is unnecessarily tall) skiing has continued to improve, I feel safe & in control. Not recommended if you need or want to drag a foot when getting up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted April 6, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 6, 2019 The second from left looks like one I made up back in the late 1970's before I went to double boots. I really liked that, it let my heel come up but didn't move left to right. I have been thinking of going back to something like that instead of wearing my back Radar boot loose. I really felt weird in just a RTP without the heel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skialex Posted April 6, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 6, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dvskier Posted April 6, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 6, 2019 The Radar HRTP cannot be beat and never needs a liner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skialex Posted April 6, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 6, 2019 @Wish I thought posting that video was fun, the RTP is an adjustable radar with a thick footbed, heavily modified. Front of the footbed was cut to allow the foot to come as close to the front boot as possible. The rear was cut to fit a cut down Wiley’s heel piece. The guy’s rear foot is smaller and leg shorter after an accident years ago and he couldn’t find any RTP that fits right. Thick footbed compensates for the short leg and the heel piece keeps the foot in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Bruce_Butterfield Posted April 6, 2019 Baller_ Share Posted April 6, 2019 @Wish I’m not sure what your point or question is here. My “dislike” was because all your pics have a really thick footbed. IMO the best kicker has a very thin, or only nonskid between your foot and plate. The best rtp will allow you to jam your foot in for a very snug fit and hold the front half of your foot firmly. Simpler is better If it was easy, they would call it Wakeboarding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted April 7, 2019 Author Baller_ Share Posted April 7, 2019 Bruce, no questions just seeing what people think of diff style RTPs. I'm riding all of them. Look closer..2 of the plates are as u describe..really thick. And 1 is thin and 1 is thin-ish. It's a mixed bag. Feel free to undislike.? Tried the thick lace one today. I have to say it was a surprise and that's after coming off a thin one over the past several weeks. I'll sorta run them down once I get passes on each. I will definitively say double boots can hold a skier back, Reflex Rstyle is better but a straight up RTP is now showing way more promise having transitioned to and skied on the Rstyle for a yr now. It's still an adjustment even from the Rstyle but man...there IS improvements to my skiing. Surprisingly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimski Posted April 7, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 7, 2019 @Wish where have your biggest improvements been I've also been on double boots forever and double reflex for the past three years. Every pro or pro coach I ski with says get rid of that rear boot. So I finally picked up a Wiley's RTP and will start on it next week. I think I'll be lucky to make a deep water start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ryota Posted April 7, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 7, 2019 It's now releasable and adjustable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skialex Posted April 7, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 7, 2019 Has anyone tried attaching non skid tape on a d3 or HO footbed? Using contact adhesive I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mwfillmore Posted April 7, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 7, 2019 @dvskier what’s a HRTP from radar? I’m looking for an upgrade from my current rtp too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mmosley899 Posted April 7, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 7, 2019 My three rear plates, Radar HRT on the right. Half boot hardshell, half boot semi hard and HRT. The semi hard and HRT have bungee laces. All three work equally well for me. I am most comfortable with buckles instead of laces, personal preference. But after using double boots forever, I changed and agree, I ski better without the full rear boot. I use a very low cut liner in the two shells to free up my rear ankle movement. Mike's Overall Binding USA Water Ski Senior Judge Senior Driver Senior Tech Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DSP Posted April 7, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 7, 2019 I like that low cut intuition liner. Did you cut and stitch that yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted April 7, 2019 Author Baller_ Share Posted April 7, 2019 @DSP you can buy them. Friend of mine had one. She felt the durability was questionable and now has a tall one. She uses a Velcro strap at the top to keep it closed around her upper ankle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DSP Posted April 7, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 7, 2019 Thanks @Wish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mmosley899 Posted April 8, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 8, 2019 @DSP I cut and stitched that one because I wanted it cut very short. Mike's Overall Binding USA Water Ski Senior Judge Senior Driver Senior Tech Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimski Posted April 9, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 9, 2019 Took a set with the RTP today, felt like I had no control of the ski How long should the transition take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Booze Posted April 9, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 9, 2019 Wileys with pad (which is thin and not bad) removed and no-skid laid down instead. Used it for years. I don't like heel straps or thick pads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted April 9, 2019 Author Baller_ Share Posted April 9, 2019 @jimski took me 3 months to get back to where I was or at least close. And that was using a Reflex Rstyle with a tall insert strapped at the top to "feel" like I had a double boot. But now the transition to a straight up RTP is progressing quickly from one set to the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimski Posted April 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 10, 2019 @Wish thanks for the info That's a big commitment I'm not sure if I'm that disciplined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Rednucleus Posted April 10, 2019 Baller_ Share Posted April 10, 2019 It's probably discussed somewhere else - why trade the rear boot for the RTP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mmosley899 Posted April 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 10, 2019 @Rednucleus the short answer is that the rear boot can adversely affect your stance on the ski, resulting in an inability to get your center of mass over your front foot. Most current ski designs require more front foot pressure and less rear leg input to maximize performance. Mike's Overall Binding USA Water Ski Senior Judge Senior Driver Senior Tech Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Sethro Posted April 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 10, 2019 I switched about 4 year ago, and I went from "no way is this going to work" to complete confidence after a few sets in about a week...mostly free skiing on the river during the transition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted April 10, 2019 Baller_ Share Posted April 10, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScottScott Posted April 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 10, 2019 I like my HRT. Bad thing is that its pretty much 1 size fits all. If you have a smaller foot it can result in more space between rear foot toe and front heel then you may want, since the hrt will have heel pushed all the way back. I cut off the excess padding on the front and remounted it more forward on the plate to allow rear toe to almost touch front boot. Once you do that, its great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted April 10, 2019 Baller_ Share Posted April 10, 2019 Love the BOA and I guess I’m the right size. I wish they made a smaller size for @Mrs_MS Radar could also make a Vapor in smaller woman’s sizes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DaveD Posted April 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 10, 2019 @MS How long did it take for you to get comfortable on the HRT? What were you using as a rear binding before making the switch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted April 10, 2019 Baller_ Share Posted April 10, 2019 @DaveD I was on a Wiley rear boot since day 1. Tried rear vapor a few years back but could not keep tip of ski down. I had some foot issues with circulation problems last summer and @RAWSki sent me a HRT. 2 sets in and I was loving it. I just have to make sure it holds the base of my foot down. Switching from the string to the BOA should help. I did not expect the success I had with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DaveD Posted April 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 10, 2019 That’s comforting to know. I got one over the winter but @RAWSki had me a little nervous with his poor experience. I’m also coming off a Wiley’s rear boot. Do you recommend starting off the season with the HRT or make the change after dusting off the cobwebs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ALPJr Posted April 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 10, 2019 I'm a high top guy. Hiking boots, court shoes and ski boots. For me the double Carbitex Vapors are the right balance of performance and comfort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ozski Posted April 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 10, 2019 Intuition liner and 1 buckle with rubber strap works really well. Plenty of mobility much like a kicker, it retains the double boot stability and feel just enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller olddog Posted April 11, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 11, 2019 I might need a different thread for those who drag a foot and have to kick into the rear toe before the course. Because of lower back reasons I went to that some years back. I had an old HO RTP that worked like a charm kicking in, but the rubber finally tore out and I haven't found a replacement yet that kicks in as reliably and holds the foot in place all the time every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted April 11, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 11, 2019 Nice thing about the radar hrt is that you can kick into it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted April 11, 2019 Baller_ Share Posted April 11, 2019 @DaveD I would wait for warm water when ski feels good. Keep your front ball of foot tight/down when you give it a go and make sure to match toe space to where you were sitting with the Wiley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jercrane Posted April 11, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 11, 2019 I tried the Radar HRTP last summer and kind of hated it. I find with the HRTP I could not get my foot forward enough even after grinding the crap out of the plate and drilling new holes. Complete waste of money for me personally. Especially after I destroyed the plate for resale. :D Additionally I do a lot of dock starts especially early and late season. I found the HRTP was not ideal for this. If it was loose enough to jam my foot in after dock start it was too loose for skiing. If it was tight enough for skiing it was too tight to get in once on the water. I tried a bunch of stuff after that and ended up going back to the most basic Connelly rtp I could find. I think it kind of comes down to taste and style. Learned my lesson ... only cost me like $300 when all was said and done. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted April 11, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 11, 2019 @ALPJr I love the Carbitex boot I run one as a front. I am a RTP guy but my issue with double Vapors (one of my ski partners uses them) is that it can be hard to get your feet close enough together. Looking at his bindings even with them as close as they can go because of the thickness of the outside boot, liner, gaps between the two and potentially not having your toe touching the front of the liner I think it can be hard to get the right separation. I would like to see the guy we ski with try something else but I don't think he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted April 11, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 11, 2019 @jercrane - do you have the same problem with regular radar RTP's? There is zero difference in where the front of the HRT plate mounts and where their RTP plates mount. I start on one foot and then jam the rear foot in - however I don't want it tight. I use it so that I don't blow my rear heel out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jercrane Posted April 11, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 11, 2019 @oldjeep I actually tried the boa regular RTP next and had some of the same issue but it was better. Still had to grind the plate but I could get close enough. The issue with the HRTP is that you can't start with your foot back but on the ski and then slam it forward. I like a pretty tight hold on the rtp strap. I skied on the boa rtp for like a month and then gave up on that too because of the thick foot bed and inability to attain a consistent foot location. I'm just better off with the basics I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted April 11, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 11, 2019 I use the Intuition liner with a rubber band (bicycle innertube with clips) holding the liner on my foot. The hardshell is cut down enough to kick in and the rubber strap (binding material) keeps a solid feel while still allowing the foot to kick in. This tricks me into feeling like I have hardshells but still allowing the movement of a toe kicker. It is a bit difficult to kick in in a short setup but I got pretty good at it. Hurt my knee and needed to get up two footed and it worked for that as well. Not sure what I'll do this summer regarding one foot or two foot starts - good option to have. I liked double boots for the safety of both in. Now the release of the front foot matters. Pair the front boot wisely with any RTP. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted April 11, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 11, 2019 @eleeski is that a juice pitcher as the front binding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted April 11, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 11, 2019 @oldjeep I get no respect. Binding design requires creativity. Finding the right juice pitcher, I mean molding the polyethylene isn't easy. It's a work in progress. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScottScott Posted April 11, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 11, 2019 The plate on the HRT shouldn't need to be trimmed, just the foam and plastic footbed, then the whole hrt can be moved forward on the plate. I did also have to trim out some of the foam to now access the top of the mounting screws once it was moved forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skialex Posted April 11, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 11, 2019 @ScottScott you are right but it also comes in a feather frame version and that is a one piece thing. Your version, the aluminum plate one offers a lot of mounting options and can also be cut, trimmed and drilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScottScott Posted April 11, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 11, 2019 Gorcha....i havent been face to face with the feather frame..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jercrane Posted April 12, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 12, 2019 Yes the Boa version only comes in the feather frame or did last year anyway. It has points that stick out the front. That’s the one I had to grind. I also had it on a Connelly GT so I had to grind the predrilled holes a bit to make it work. Yeah I totally mangled a pretty expensive RTP that turned out to be useless to me personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Steven_Haines Posted April 12, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 12, 2019 I’ve been a double hard shell guy since 2005. Through out the years I’ve ran the rear shell looser and looser to try to get more mobility. I always wanted to try a kicker again but thought that there was no way that I would like it. This year, on a whim, I bought my better half an HRT feather and myself a HRT boa. I have one set on it so far, so far so good! I really like the boa and the heal cup. So far the only weird is that my ankle and toes got cold. Obviously I’m just taking it super easy now but all in all I think that it’s going to be an easy transition. Hopefully the Colorado weather will allow me to try it again this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DavidN Posted April 12, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 12, 2019 I did the same as @ScottScott with my HRT and it works fine that way, but I agree with @jercrane - kicking in is not really an option as long as you don’t like the binding to be very loose on your foot. Luckily I start both feet in. BTW - the HRT BOA is also available in the aluminum plate version. It’s a bit costly though. https://www.perfski.com/radar-2019-hrt-boa-aluminum-plate-standard.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jercrane Posted April 12, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 12, 2019 oh maybe its the Limited that was only feather. this one https://www.miamiskinautiques.com/Radar-Vector-LTD-Boa-HRTP-2018-p/rdr18-btrtp-vectorltd-b-181580.htm Last year I don't the regular had the boa... I don't think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller sunnydaysmn Posted April 13, 2019 Baller Share Posted April 13, 2019 I really like the HRT.. doubt I will go back to a rtp.. just wish the feather plate had holes to accommodate universal hole pattern not just Radar skis.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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