Baller LoopSki Posted May 9, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2019 with all this talk about the Senate, Im really starting to lean that way. few questions, sorry if its been covered already. I definitely want to go with the 2019. I am 5-8 165 lb and ski 34 miles an hour 15 off through 28 off. I only ski in my backyard for the most part , so no open water. first question is should I get a 65 or a 67. second question is it should I spring for the pro build or save some cheddar and go with the lithium. I know Rossi said in another thread always get as much ski as you can afford. but at my level do I really benefit from it. I rather put that extra money into some other things I need around the house. especially since we're creeping up on $5 a gallon gas out here in California going to be an expensive season. current stick is a D3 X7 from 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chris Rossi Posted May 9, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2019 @LoopSki what length is your current ski? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LoopSki Posted May 9, 2019 Author Baller Share Posted May 9, 2019 65" i was bit lighter in 2012! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stickman Posted May 9, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2019 @LoopSki , I'd follow Chris's recommendations, but here is another data point for you. I'm 6' 165 lbs and am on a 65" Lithium. I was on a 66" HO S2. Initially the 65" seemed short not because it skied short, but because I was used to seeing more ski in front of me. I have not tried any Pro-builds, but based on your size/ ability I think the 65 is your number, and the Lithium is the layup to get you your -28... and beyond. This ski is no joke. If cash is an issue, keep any eye on the used equipment websites or watch for demos/blems. I too would like to hear from someone who has ridden both back-to-back. Hope this helps. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chris Rossi Posted May 9, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 9, 2019 Like @Stickman suggested, I would go with a 65" Senate Lithium. Its the right length for you and the added surface area will keep you running on the water efficiently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller coach3 Posted May 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 10, 2019 @Chris Rossi Will the Lithium core feel the same as a pro build up through 32 maybe 35 off at 34 mph? BTW, You were a great coach back in the day at the old 3 lake site in west ORL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chris Rossi Posted May 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 10, 2019 @coach3 The difference from pro build to lithium is noticeable at all line lengths. This in no way means the lithium is not a fantastic ski! The pro build senate currently offered in 67 and 69, so the lithium is my recommended option for the question above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted May 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 10, 2019 Good luck finding a 65 Lithium Senate anywhere. I have a 2018 67in Lithium Senate that I’d like to sell and pick up a 2019 65 instead. I’m about the same size (5’7” 175lbs) and feel the 67 is big. The 65 should be perfect and actually per the specs has more surface area than my 66 Vapor Probuild. The 65 Lithium is apparently the golden unicorn this year. I’ve been searching for months. Everywhere sold out and I have some very good connections and can’t locate one. Word is have to wait until late summer for the 2020s to start production as only a limited amount of 65s made this year. If u find one jump on it. Rumor has it that there may be a 65 Senate Pro next year. Either way the Lithium rips so can’t go wrong either way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller UWSkier Posted May 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 10, 2019 Was the same story with the 71 Li. I lucked out and found one after trying a few shops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aupatking Posted May 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 10, 2019 That 19 Senate shape is no joke. If you’re looking to save any cash, a Lithium won’t hold you back, at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted May 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 10, 2019 @Chris Rossi so 5'6" 175 llbs to 180 llbs variable would you say 67" old boy just dropped my speed to 32mph, might go back to 34 mph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chris Rossi Posted May 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 10, 2019 @Stevie Boy what length ski do you ski on now? What line lengths will you be skiing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted May 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 10, 2019 Hi Chris Currently on a 67" 2017 pro build Looking for something for 15off to 32off maybe 35 if I could conjure up a miracle. I still believe there is room for improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LoopSki Posted May 10, 2019 Author Baller Share Posted May 10, 2019 looks like back to the ski search cant find a 65 lithium either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted May 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 10, 2019 @Loopski 65" Lithium available at Miami Ski Nautiques Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stickman Posted May 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 10, 2019 Looks like Performance is stocking all sizes of the 19' Lithium as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted May 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 10, 2019 I tried all those shops, mostly every shop online says they have the 65 when you select it but trust me I’ve called everywhere (and been to Miami Nautiques and Perf Ski) and can’t locate. Don’t trust the website. Pick up the phone. Maybe you’ll get lucky with a new shipment but word straight from the factory is none available. Seems crazy as the season is just getting under way. Hope someone finds one and proves me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LoopSki Posted May 10, 2019 Author Baller Share Posted May 10, 2019 called Miami Ski Nautique, the guy was less than helpful but he said they have some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LoopSki Posted May 10, 2019 Author Baller Share Posted May 10, 2019 never mind just got called back. they dont have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted May 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 10, 2019 I’ve never been impressed by them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller KRoundy Posted May 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 10, 2019 Try Wiley’s in Seattle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LoopSki Posted May 10, 2019 Author Baller Share Posted May 10, 2019 looks like going with another D3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted May 10, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 10, 2019 Called the number on the Radar site and they said best bet is to order directly off Radar site as they fulfill order from any distribution site in the country. Might save u from calling everywhere. But then again who the heck knows who has one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted May 12, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 12, 2019 Can anybody tell me why the Senate Pro is classified as a Course ski where as the Senate Lithium is classified as a crossover ski or is it just marketing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller perfski Posted May 12, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 12, 2019 Hey All, Have looked at the most recent Available To Sell Report from Radar...currently no 65" Lithiums in first or demo. I'm going to ask the "gate keepers" to see if they might have access / visibility of any coming in. Can update the thread here or message me and I'll connect directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted May 12, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 12, 2019 Update when u can. From the sounds of it we’re looking at late summer for the 2020s. I’ll be looking to grab one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller perfski Posted May 12, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 12, 2019 Update on LIthium Senates...the 65" is sold out for the year...no more will be available till the 2020's arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted May 12, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 12, 2019 Hope the 2020 looks as good as the 19. Thanks for checking @perfski. Post up when delivery starts in August for 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LoopSki Posted May 13, 2019 Author Baller Share Posted May 13, 2019 @Chris Rossi ok how about this scenario. i cant and dont want to wait for the 2020 65" Lithium. which ski would work better for me in your opinion? eat a couple more cheeseburgers and get the 67" lithium or go for a 65" graphite. or choice # 3 65" vapor lithium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted May 13, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 13, 2019 If u go with a Vapor go 66. We’re about the same height weight. My 66 Vapor is just right. The 65 Senate has more surface area then the 66 Vapor allowing u to bump down a size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobonator Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 @LoopSki I'm the same weight as you, and have been loving my 66" 18 lithium vapor, I'm currently skiing 34mph 15 off most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DaveD Posted May 14, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 14, 2019 Just buy a 66” Senate. Mount your bindings an inch back and cut the tip of the ski off. @Horton will that get me a triple panda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted May 15, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 15, 2019 They don’t make a 66 Senate. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller igkya Posted May 15, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 15, 2019 Then get a 67" Senate and cut an inch off tip and tail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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