2020 VAPOR

[brooks]

@JaredSmith 2019 67" Vapor has 365.661 SQ" & 2020 67" Vapor has 365.49 SQ"

However, max width on a 2019 67" Vapor is 6.946 and on a 2020 67" Vapor it's 6.92"

[JaredSmith]

Thanks @brooks. Seems like very small changes. Did the weight recommendations range for the different lengths change or stay the same?

[C5Quest]

I wouldn’t think that small of a change would drive a length change for your weight. But never know. I’ll stick with my 66

[mbabiash]

For what it’s worth. @TFIN told me to go with 67. I’m 210 6’2”. He said I was I. Between sizes but he’d still go with 67.

This thing must be fast. I’ll get mine in Wednesday.

[brooks]

Weight recommendations stayed the same, we do see a trend of people sizing down in skis currently.

[jimski]

I stayed the same size

Tried the 66 but felt better on the 67

190 #

[markchilcutt]

34mph 185lbs 67" long shallow setting. skiing 22-35 off never have ran 38. Practice and tournament average are 3@35. current ski is 2019 67" Vapor.

 

1st set I was a bit rushed setting the fin and didn't have it perfectly set.

Still a great 1st set skiing right up to my average of 3@35

This ski is fast. I kept finding myself with to much glide for the gates which typically puts me narrow and late at one ball. also found myself having to scrub speed coming into offside 1,3,5. I think I was a bit tentative on my first set. Ski turned very well on both sides.

 

Before skiing the 2nd set I dialed the fin in.

Went out at -28 feeling much better with my gate glide. First thing I noticed was how level this ski stays front to back. The biggest benefits with this was the feeling at the end of the turn where I have a tendency to rock back onto the tail. The ski likes to stay level there for me resulting in more tip engagement as the line comes tight. More ski in the water was putting me early and wide on both sides.

 

Another attribute I liked is ski position coming into the buoy. I have a tendency to stay compressed off the second wake resulting in being heavy on the tail. This ski made my transition from compressed to standing tall and shifting forward much easier. Finding myself more forward on this ski into and out of the buoy might be the greatest attribute.

 

This ski also feels easier to roll onto edge compared to the 19 letting me find my stacked position a bit sooner.

I also noticed this ski smearing more in the turn creating more angle off the buoy which is always a good thing if your ready for it. This will take some getting used to but will be of great benefit.

 

So 2nd set went down the line getting 1@38!! I totally blew it going to one at 38 and over pulled. With the ski rolling onto edge easier and being faster I will have to compensate a bit from what I am used to (this is a good thing). I am very excited with my results after only two sets.

 

Any time I run 35 is a celebration! Cannot wait to own this ski.

 

Thanks again to the designer @Chris Rossi and product manager @brooks as well as the entire Radar team for continuing to design and produce killer products!!

[Chris Rossi]

Thanks for each one of your personal insights from your first few passes/days on this new ski. They were a hot commodity at the Nationals and even had one gentleman who bought one, we set it up, and he went out (at his lake) and posted a score that was 4 buoys better than on his previous ski. The 2020 Vapor is a very balanced and intuitive ski. I am very excited to see more of these on the water! Keep us in the loop as more of you get on the ski.

[Deanoski]

On a 67 2.505 6.840 75.5 10 Wing

 

Fb reflex thin liner 29 13/16

 

180lbs 6’ 4 sets in running-28 -32

been windy can’t wait for calm water to start running-35

[mbabiash]

This ski is insane. I started with deep numbers and started getting used to it but never comfortable. Tried the long shallow settings but 1/8 back with boots and I’m in heaven. I’m actually 215 right now and @TFIN said I was in between sizes but he’d still go with the 67. He was right. I’ve never had a ski that legitimately set deep and felt so solid that was also incredibly fast.

It always seems to be one or the other. Turns are so even on both sides and effortless.

[perfski]

@Ed_Johnson I asked Rossi & Brooks this exact question on sizing...he said no change in how you size the ski....

[bojans]

My 11 year old just finished his first set, loved it. Said the turns are very easy and fast. He looks great on the ski and matched his practice average on the first set.

[JC McCavit]

@mbabiash - do you ski 36 or 34?

[mbabiash]

34 get into 32 off

[Roger]

Well, I read this thread last week where some liked (and stayed on) the 2016 ski vs. the 17,18 or 19. Also, I pulled 5 practice sessions last week at Nationals and spoke with 4 guys still on the 2016 who all said pretty much the same thing. I currently have a 19 that I bought mid last year and skied the last two tournaments of the year and all of them this year on. I will try a 2020 version soon, but since I still have my 2016, I decided to put my boots on it today and give it a go (hadn't been on it since my Achilles injury last year. I skied better immediately. The ski turns better on both sides (for me) and is totally stable in the glide for the gates while the 2019 version will hunt unless I bend both knees. I can stand anyway I want on the 2016 with no hunting. When I demoed the 2019 last year, I was still coming back from my injury, so was not skiing beyond 32 off. My best tournament score has been 3@35 and I have run only one 35 in practice (while when I was injured, I was running 35 about 40% of the time and ran a handful of 2@38 tournament scores). Today I skied 3 28s and a 32 only since I had not skied in a week, skied six 28s the first set (on the 19) and was running out of steam. I will take some shots at 35 and see how it goes. Even if I decide the 2016 is better than the 2019, I'm still going to give the 2020 a shot as a few have said it skis more like the 2016.

[dnewton]

I am amazed with the amount of people favoring their 16 over there 18/19’s. I just jumped from a 16 to an 18 and legitimately gained a pass and a half the first night out on it. My 16 is only a lithium, so potentially that has something to do with it, but I absolutely love the 18 and feel like an idiot for buying it 2 weeks before the 2020 was released.

[BlueSki]

My 16 got me into 35 and the 18 (+Denali fin) was a refinement. The 18 turned more smoothly for me and got me into 38 for the first time in my life.

[Roger]

@dnewton / @BlueSki - I hope my post didn't imply the 17,18 or 19 skies were bad skies, only that "I" ski better on the 16. Different skiers gel with different skies. I tried various D3 skis and struggle to run 28 while friends are running 38 on them. Ed Hickey set the Men 7 record (1@41) on an 18 Pro-Build last year, so the ski obviously works for him. He changed to a 19 and suggested I skip the 18 and buy the 19 when I was looking to move from my 16. Not surprised at all that you guys and others love a different year/ski than I do.

[BlueSki]

@roger, not at all. My wife went from a 16 to a 19 and her PB went up and she looked smoother (after some fin setting help from Rossi) but she still does not feel as stable when running straight down the lake or dropping. Before the fin setting help, the ski was no bueno for her. Lots of variety in what works for each skier.

[skierjp]

If my 20 works out I'll have a 67" 16 for sale that is like brand new.

[scuppers]

Anyone tried the wisperfin on the 2020 Vapor Pro Build yet?

[Bdecker]

My 2020 will be onsite later today- just tied my all-time practice PB on my 2018 w/cg fin 2 sets ago. So do I set it up with the CG fin out of the box?

[Than_Bogan]

@Bdecker Congratulations!!

 

And you probably should. But personally I'd be more interested in hearing about it both with stock fin and CG fin. And you better do the stock fin first or you might never :).

[Ed_Johnson]

Having set up several skis now with the CG, including 2 Vapors. I have found the stock fin to be more sensitive. Therefore, if you get the ski to be the best it can be with the stock fin, then set the CG to those exact dimensions, it will really perform and you have the best starting point for the CG.

 

[Horton]

@Bdecker I suggest you spend some time on the stock fin and settings first. Get to know the ski and set a baseline before you play with aftermarket fins.

[ellenm]

I have the 2018 ProBuild and love it. I just bought the 2020 and am still trying to figure it out. It feels different but ran my hardest pass on the 2nd set.

 

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@ellenm Sounds Awesome, stoked to hear it! If you need help setting it up or have any questions don't be afraid to reach out.

[GaryWilkinson]

@scuppers Yes I have 2 sets on the 2020 but never skied on it stock fin.

 

Jay said use the same settings as my 17 vapor with a small binding adjustment and I did and holy f()<{.

 

Man did that ski go well. Stayed down and accelerated nicely.

 

Love it.

 

Go with confidence.

[scuppers]

Thanks Gary! I’ll try it too

[paul413ski]

@GaryWilkinson forward or back with the binding ?

[Bdecker]

Stock fin, first set- loved it. CG 2nd, I think I went a little too deep (just dropped the fin block from my 2018 in...). Offside was “off”... Removed a bunch of depth- back on it tomorrow.

[GaryWilkinson]

@paul413ski Jay's setting on the 2020 and original lithium 30 1/8” binding location. That puts me hole #4 of 5 forward.

 

Working very well so far and I haven’t even tried it on really calm water yet.

[paul413ski]

@GaryWilkinson thanks for the info

[coach3]

How are settings for the 2020 evolving? I am skiing stock long and shallow as is my habit, with the bindings 1/6 forward. 3rd set getting used to it and coming off a 2019 (which turned great I might add). Inputs?

[paul413ski]

@GaryWilkinson what size ski and numbers please

[Deanoski]

67 Fb 2913/16 Reflex blk boot 2.504 6.840 75 10 Wing -28–35

 

Fast smooth lots of space it’s like cheating

[rq0013]

I’ve tried both stock settings along with something between them. I’ve come to the conclusion I ski better with the longer and shallower settings. On the 19 I really liked

numbers between the 2 stock options. Practice pb the other day... 2.5@38. 36mph.

[C5Quest]

Anyone running the 2020 with the Whisper Fin? I’m hearing good stuff from other sources

[JaredSmith]

I have heard that the 2020 likes a long and shallow fin setting, also hearing a few on the 2019 that have tried the 2020 are keeping their 2019.

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@coach3 I would start at stock long and shallow with stock binding placement and then make moves from there.

[ellenm]

Update: I have run my challenge pass 3 out of the last 4 sets. Although my 2018 Probuild is a great ski, I think I like this one better.

 

[GaryWilkinson]

@paul413ski

 

67” 2020 Vapor Pro Build

Whisper fin at

FD = 2.510

Fl = 5.745

DFT = 1.960

Wing 9°

Binding 30 1/8”

 

I’m 174lbs 6’ ski at 34mph usually through 32 off and 2 at -35 on a good day.

 

[Bbrandau]

Picked up my 2020 at Nationals. Ski is feeling sweet! Just ran a tourney PB.

[lw_moskier]

@Bbrandau what ski were you on previously? I'm on a 2018 and leaning hard towards the 2020. I'm thinking I need to size down though because I've been on 68" and I've lost some pounds. Weighing 192 today... was about 220 when I started with the 68". Feels like I'm on the verge of blowing out the ski a lot of times. Sometimes I do but I'm sure my form comes into play as well when this happens. I ski 34 and have ran into 35 off a handful of times this season.

[mbabiash]

I’m 215 right now and the 67 is perfect for me. Really nice ski!

[Deanoski]

@mbabiash makes me think I need a 66 at 180-185 6’ -35 skier

[Bdecker]

@Deanoski - I’m 6’ 181# and on a 67” getting into mid 38. @ali leaves his 66” in our ski shed, so I might need to experiment and report back! Too bad he’s the wrong foot forward, otherwise I could just slide my liners in and go.

Long/shallow is working well on this ski

[mbabiash]

I’d ask @TFIN what he suggests. I have friends on the new 67 that are 180 and they are loving it too.

[ironhorse]

There's a slightly used 67" on SIA if anyone is looking (not mine). I am waiting for someone to put their 68" demo on there (hint..hint…).

[Chris Rossi]

Thanks for all the positive reviews and feedback! @lw_moskier I would go 67 and congrats on getting lean and mean!