New Ad, New Face, ‘Bout Time

[mfjaegersr]

 

[jpattigr]

What magazine is that in?

 

[LoopSki]

maybe it looks better in person, but the all red is alot to handle! the grey/green 200 didnt do it for me either.

[Than_Bogan]

Also, what's a magazine?

[mfjaegersr]

@jpattigr

 

[TEL]

There is an article about tournament boats, do they not publish the scores? Would be be a great way to choose what boat has the ratings one is looking for when looking to buy a boat.

[LoopSki]

i dont think published ratings would sway many buyers.However nothing could sway me to buy that new nautique!

[Horton]

@tel the important differences between the boats are more qualitative than quantitative.

[aupatking]

I’m happy to see Robert Pigozzi doing so well. That guy ran -39 at age 15? He’s been crushing short line so long I didn’t realize he was a kid when he was doing it.

On the boat score bit, I don’t know @Horton, think the “scores” ;) should be posted. All tournament scores for the Prostar, TXI, and Ski Nautique. I’d like to know what the average score is for B&G1 and B&G2 before I bought a snowplow to teach my kid behind. Along the same lines, I’d like to see the same skiers scores from boat to boat. I think that quantitative score + a solid boat driver telling us “it’s on rails” or “it’s on the boat guides” would be about the only scores that matter to me.

[MuskokaKy]

@mfjaegersr I hear what you're saying. and I agree. New chapter. Pigozzi had a killer shot with a lightning bolt in the background. Reflex needs to use that shot for marketing!

[UWSkier]

@aupatking that'd be cool if someone wanted to fart around with a lot of data, but one would also need to account for different conditions.

 

It wasn't in any way run under test conditions but I did find the Lake 38 results interesting last year when there was a Nautique pulling Rd 1 and a Malibu pulling Rd 2 of the prelims. Was a rare chance to see guys ski behind two different boats on the same lake, the same day.

[aupatking]

@UWSkier lake 38 is about as close as you get to “test conditions” ?

[Horton]

@aupatking IF that data existed that would be awesome. It would be super easy to take a years worth of scores and find averages and see the difference between the boats. I am pretty sure some folks would be super unhappy when presented with the data.

[BraceMaker]

If that data was readily published how long till skiers would specifically throw rounds if not behind their brand?

[Horton]

@BraceMaker there are really not very many contract skiers in the world. Everyone else would always do their best. The interesting data is in all the none pro divisions. G1 though M9.

[BraceMaker]

Hard to statistically match those skiers when events span events months sites drivers etc. Collegiate might be a good place to look where you have rounds assorted in draw at one site one weekend etc.

[Horton]

@BraceMaker No. You want to look at a whole season of scores. If you had five scores behind each boat for 20 or 100 skiers you would immediately see if in fact any boat is actually superior to the others. You can chop the numbers a number of ways but you have to do it from multiple events for each skier otherwise the data becomes impacted by skiers good days and bad days as well as things like driving.

[hemlock]

The skier on the left page of the magazine looks like he has a nice angle to the next buoy.

Why is there a red stealth bomber barely skimming the water on the right page?

Oh wait, is that a tow boat? :)

 

[Orlando76]

Always been a Pigozzi supporter.

[TEL]

I am planning on buying a used 2020 boat this coming winter the scores would help. I have already planed on having my own test in my lake this summer. I have access to a 2019 SN and 2020 MC working on the Malibu TXI. Have skiers that ski from mini course at 26mph to

34mph 35off. That way I can feel comfortable with my dissension. The boat I end up will not only have the least amount of disturbance for the skiers but is easy to drive through the course with several different drivers at the wheel. I will be compering to our usual tow tugs 2008 196, 2018 200, 2012 200 and 2016 centurion.

 

[Jordan]

I don't think comparing scores achieved behind the boats would be all that meaningful. Too hard to sort it out by who pulls the most events, and the difference between sites. For example, say one brand was pulling euro events with exceptionally high scores, would that be because of the boat or the driving? Or something else.

 

If there was a particular boat with a problem at a particular line length, I suppose that might make a difference. At this point, I think all of the big three are good enough and the differences so minor that the point would be largely moot.

 

I once heard someone talking about how many records were set behind a particular brand. Isn't that more a function of how many team skiers you have and how many events you pull? It certainly is at the pro level.

 

I would be more interested in data about how long interiors last and what warranty claims are made etc...

[6balls]

@TEL keep us posted that's a great cross section of boats to compare. @Jordan agree--subtle but real differences in quality...especially important buying used.

 

Oh yeah, back on topic, the picture that started it. Have to be careful on colors on the new Nautique or IMO it can be pretty funny lookin'. Maybe it will grow on me.

[Horton]

@Jordan if there's sufficient data set it's really not hard to produce something meaningful. The analysis would require a little bit of trial and error but as long as you have enough skiers who have skied behind two or three of the boats multiple times at multiple events you could draw some conclusions.

 

I'm sure USA water ski would be 100% unwilling to release the data for analysis but I think they have it from the scoring data and/or officials work data. Once you match the boat to the division skiing it's pretty easy to put the rest of it together.

 

I suppose it would also be possible to do analysis of drivers. That would certainly not be popular with some folks :-)

 

( @JeffSurdej just spit coffee all over his keyboard and starts to dial my number to tell me to stop making trouble : -)

[liquid d]

@tel scores from dif people will tell you nothing. All 3 are capable of pulling super shortline. Ski behind each one; drive each one, and pick the color you like...you can't go "wrong" with any of them.

[aupatking]

You guys need to learn to use Excel ;)

I could sort, filter, and merge enough data to run meaningful statistical analysis in a pretty short time. Filter for Prostar pulled rounds, a particular country, age group, etc. etc. Enough rounds covers your “bad weather days” as the Nautique/Malibu data should deal with roughly the same number of bad weather rounds over a long enough period of time to give good data. I think John is right, certain companies would not be happy with the results.

[MuskokaKy]

@mfjaegersr your thread got jacked!! guess it went over everyone's head.

[DW]

Sheez, all you have to do is read the annual Waterski boat test to determine the best boat, oh wait, nevermind...

[Horton]

@MuskokaKy The actual point of this thread is a subject that's going to resurface over and over and over again. Maybe we can give it a rest at least until Moomba.

[LoopSki]

the best boat is the Mastercraft. you don't need a bunch of data, ratings and spreadsheets to figure that out ! lol

[MuskokaKy]

@Horton i fully understand.

I am a big Pigozzi fan; That's what we should be talking about :) The guys a stud! That was suppose to be the real point.... i think!

 

Pigozzi; You are killin' it and i think its rad you're getting more recognition and sponsorship opportunities. Looking forward to the 2020 season

[Horton]

@MuskokaKy Hell yeah. We should all be ?-O-Z fans.

[JackQ]

Everyone does not have the same preferences or results. However, Last year @34mph I ran 38 in 50% of my rounds overall, 36 rounds total. Behind, one particular brand of boat I had 10 rounds and only ran 38 once (10%), the other two brands I ran 17 38s out of 25 rounds or 68%. Coincidence? Maybe, a mental issue, likely. But we just didn’t get along. But as fate would have it, my 1st round as Men’s 7 at 32mph, I ran 2@41. Not sure if that was a fluke or at 32mph I am not effected as much.

[jpattigr]

The man has a style of his own! And rips hard! Glad to see him get his due!

[jimbrake]

@JackQ - that is some great skiing. Post some video if you got it. I want to see this "style of his own." I will likely learn something.

[Luzz]

In case you want to hear more from Robert, about Robert

[Keith_Menard]

No one has an issue with waterski magazine having a wakeboarder on the cover...no? Just me? ok.

[mfjaegersr]

@"Keith Menard" I agree; though I was focused on the positive...that Nautique had finally aligned its ad(s) with its values. ?

[aupatking]

@"Keith Menard" we lost Waterski magazine a couple years ago now. That is Waterskier magazine. It’s brought to us by, Us, who pay our USAWSWS dues. So we can see people doing things on the cover of our magazine that people who don’t pay dues do.

[epnault]

@aupatking - how many issue do they do? Does it just come with the USAWSWS dues. I am not a competition skier so just wondering