Administrators Horton Posted August 15, 2020 Administrators Share Posted August 15, 2020 Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted August 15, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted August 15, 2020 @brooks I'll take one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jmoski Posted August 15, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 15, 2020 Nice, will the 2021 Senate inherit those improvements as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller pregom Posted August 15, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 15, 2020 Here is Brooks introducing the Vapor line and the Senate line. Based on these videos, it seems that the answer to your question is yes, @Jmoski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller KRoundy Posted August 16, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 16, 2020 So, the Senate does or does not have the new nylon block tail? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted August 16, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 16, 2020 @KRoundy I'm going no. Radar named the block the Enduro Tail and this is listed on the vapor tech but not the Senate page. It may also be a 2022 upgrade as didn't the Senate pro lag 1 year behind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted August 16, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 16, 2020 interesting so they cut the tail shape after its pressed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted August 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 17, 2020 @Deanoski I think so the photos so far sure look like the surface finish I get from using an end mill on plastic. @brooks might throw us a bone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 17, 2020 Author Administrators Share Posted August 17, 2020 I believe there is a poly block in back of the ski so when they band saw / trim the back of the ski there is a perfectly clean edge and a durable surface. @brooks told me that they use some coconut but I think he have been drinking Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted August 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 17, 2020 Wonder how far one could take that concept. Need a 67, cut here. Need a 68 cut there. Could cut down on number of molds needed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller pregom Posted August 17, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 17, 2020 Hmm, with current design, does the ski width change with different lengths? or is it the same across the whole Vapor line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller OSSKI Posted August 20, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 20, 2020 Has anyone skied the 2021 vapor yet? Would be curious to hear thoughts, however brief or anecdotal, particularly from anyone coming off an older model vapor! www.swervetracker.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rq0013 Posted August 20, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 20, 2020 I have one set so far on my 2021, hoping to get a handful more this weekend. I'm a 22-35off skier at 36mph. I ran a few 28s and handful of 32s. Initial impression is less effort cross course, feels faster, but hard to determine with one set under my belt. Where I feel the most difference compared to my 2020 is off the second wake, going into my offside. The combination of less effort for speed and slowing down less created a new feeling- The ski came through easier on my offside than my 2020. I still need to adjust my timing because of the speed differences and tweak my onside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted August 22, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 22, 2020 @rq0013 Any more reports on the 21? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rq0013 Posted August 23, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 23, 2020 5 more sets on the ski- I had a friend visit, so we skied a lot! Still running stock long/shallow settings. I did the same on the 2020 as well. Overall the ski is less effort and more free, especially in the tail. Not to the point of blownIng the tail easily, but more free than the 2020. Wife said I looked fast side to side. Less is more for me on this ski, especially on my onside. Onside feels different than my 2020, but the tip still stays down nicely. If I don’t push on the ski, it comes through nicely. If I do push on it, I don’t quite get the ski through all the way as of yet. I’m sure I can adjust that out a bit. Offside is sweet for me. It comes through easier and grabs more angle than I was getting on my 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted August 24, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 24, 2020 @rq0013 would like to know if there is a big difference between the 2020 and the 2021, I am asking for myself as I tend to over work, most of the time, so worried it might hard for me to Tame the 2021, in which case I might be better off looking at the 2020, did you find any oddities with the 2020 ? I know a lot of people liked running the fin, Short and Deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ryota Posted August 24, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 24, 2020 @Stevie Boy I thought the difference is only Enduro tip tail and Race base at the bottom of the ski right? If these things make so much difference comparing from 2020 I’ll be like ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted August 24, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 24, 2020 @Ryota, Radar Race Base , HO S2 Speed Base, not sure that I liked that feature on the HO, significant change in the feel of the ski, that's why I ask the question. If you have skied a fair bit and haven't got around to giving the bottom of your ski a good clean, give it a go and see how different your ski feels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ryota Posted August 24, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 24, 2020 @Stevie Boy I will get 2021 PB in a couple of weeks and switch from 2016 so I will report how I felt the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rq0013 Posted August 25, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 25, 2020 @Stevie Boy It took me a handful of sets to get in sync with the ski. I don’t think the new speed of the ski would hurt someone who is a power skier. It definitely helps me in our warm, slow water in TX right now. The 2020 shape has been excellent. I Loved the stability, quick turns and level riding attitude of the 2020. I had better success with the long/shallow settings. Being the same shape and rocker, the 21 adds less effort and an easier time getting the ski through on my offside. I notice it most the back half of the turn. I was surprised a few times this weekend thinking i was coming in on not such a great path, but the ski came through and grabbed angle. I sold my 2020 to a friend this weekend who was previously on a 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rq0013 Posted August 26, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 26, 2020 Update- made a few fin changes per a friend: boots back, fin back and deeper. Ran two 35s, which is a great set for me. Then ran 6 @38 no continuation. I know practice pb's are nothing for most, but for a 36mph skier, to run 38 for the first time is a huge accomplishment. Practice pb was 4@38 and tournament pb is 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller UWSkier Posted August 26, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 26, 2020 Wow! Nice skiing Rob! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted August 26, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 26, 2020 Sweet. So boots back and fin deeper huh? What size ski? I tried going with the stock boots setting on my 2020 66 Long/shallow and ended up 1/8 inch forward is were it worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted August 26, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 26, 2020 @rq0013 what # are you running? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rq0013 Posted August 26, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 26, 2020 66”- 29 3/8” 6.980 2.445 .755 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller APB Posted August 26, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 26, 2020 first set on my 2021 vapor pro this am. it felt pretty good.... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted August 26, 2020 Baller Share Posted August 26, 2020 @rq0013 Awesome!!!!!! 6@-38/36mph that great practice or tourney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rq0013 Posted September 4, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 4, 2020 After a good amount of sets on the 2021, I can say the ski is working great for me. I'm running more back to back 35s than I have in awhile and getting more looks at -38. Last week I ran 4@-38, so I know I can run 38 again... I recommend people try it because it does feel different with the changes they made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members texas_slalom_trick Posted September 8, 2020 Members Share Posted September 8, 2020 Hands down best ski I have ever been on! glides amazing, finishes beautifully through the turn and generates so much speed. Most consistent I've ever been on a ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller UWSkier Posted September 8, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2020 I've heard this ski described as a ski with the grip and forgiveness of a deeper riding ski with the speed of a shallow riding ski. Sounds great to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BS74 Posted September 9, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2020 What do you all think about this ski at 32mph or 30mph? Probably not out there long enough for that feed back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted September 9, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2020 I rode a 21 67 yesterday. Only one set but it was fast. I was already kind of tired as I skied my 66 2020 prior. Waiting on a 21 66 I’m kind of in between sizes (5’7 170lbs) and when I stood on it correctly I could feel it was fast and less work but It did feel big. I’m sure I could tune that out if I had the chance. Ski was going to a friend so couldn’t spend too much time on it although he offered to let me keep it for a few days. ? I don’t want to ding it and have to keep it haha @BS74 maybe size up if you’re going to ski at 30 or 32? I’ll probably stay with a 66 for now. Might even try a 65 Senate Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted September 13, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 13, 2020 I have a question about the 2021 Radar Vapor, simply because in current times I am unable to travel to the USA to demo any skis, here we go, so skis like the Helix that were very fast, for some people it was hard to control because there was not a lot of feel, I know that the ski rode high in the water. For you Guy,s riding the 2021 Vapor, you have stated that it is fast/less effort, does the ski still have plenty of feel ? Is it that different from the 2020 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skier2788 Posted September 13, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 13, 2020 @Stevie Boy I only have a few sets on a 21 but have been on a vapor for 18,19 and 20. The difference between the 20 and 21 is not massive I would say a 10% difference. The difference is small but possibly significant. We as humans don't perceive speed well. It is either feeling acceleration or deceleration or the other way people judge speed is with landmarks. For us slalom skiers it is the bouys how much space do I have.... So to answer your question I feel that the ski takes a little more angle out of the bouy resulting in an earlier line into the next. This is accomplished by the clean water tail. I would actually say that I get more feel from the ski than last year. My first impression on the ski was wow I don't need to feel the boat as much because this thing feels stable under my feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted September 13, 2020 Author Administrators Share Posted September 13, 2020 @BS74 I have seen 30 and 32 mph college kids have really good success on the current Radars skis Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller APB Posted September 13, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 13, 2020 I have been skiing mine for about two weeks. I tried sizing up as I am right in between a 67 and 68. I definitely notice a grip, speed and edge hold. I really like it. I’m still trying to side if it is the size up difference or the ski model. Our season is coming to an end, I wish I had more time on the ski. Stuck up here in Canada! ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted September 13, 2020 Baller Share Posted September 13, 2020 The 67 is a big ski. If you actually measure it it’s over 67 1/2 ..almost 68. We held it up again a few other brands and seemed large. I’m usually on a 66 and tried the 67. When I was in the right position it was fast and less effort but did seem big for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted October 25, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2020 So any more Info on fin settings? Still mostly running Long/Shallow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted October 25, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2020 Question ? We all know that it is surface area in contact with the water that counts length of a ski can be deceiving, seeing that the front 6-4 inches is generally not in the water, but like @C5Quest does anybody else share his thoughts when he says the ski feels bigger than previous 67" Radars, perhaps Brooks could chip in regards the sizing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted October 25, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2020 @C5Quest im running short/deep on the 21, I’m really close to finding numbers right now. As of now I’m not too far off stock short and deep settings. As far as sizing goes @Stevie Boy @brooks will probably chime in on this with more info but the ski does have a bit more surface area. Comparing a 2020 66” – 353.67 SQ” and the 2021 66”- 355.67 SQ” Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted October 25, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2020 @ColeGiacopuzzi youre the first I’ve heard running S/D on a 2020/21. My season ended yesterday but will give it a try again in the spring. Been running L/S on my 2020. Will have a 21 by next season. Did you run the same set up on a 2020 or did something change? Let us know what numbers are working. On a 66. I didn’t realize there was a change in surface area on the 21? Being at the top of weight range (170) for my 66 I hope I feel the difference. Wonder what changed. Thought it was same ski just a material change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted October 25, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2020 Yeah so I ran L/S for 90% of the time on my 2020 but the last couple of months I shifted to S/D and ended up liking the ski a lot better. @TFIN also runs short deep. On my 2020 I ended up at: 29 3/8 6.832 2.511 .751 I’ll let you know where I end up my 2021 I’m mostly the same right now. The surface area change you’ll see mostly in the tail @brooks @Chris Rossi @TFIN will need to confirm that. Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller schafer Posted October 26, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 26, 2020 @C5Quest i have run S/D on the 20 and now 21. Basically the exact same numbers as @ColeGiacopuzzi Absolutely loved the 20 w/those numbers. And stayed with the same ones on the ‘21 and love it. @brooks has me all dialed in to those numbers and I’m running the most buoys of my life. Season is now done in Alberta. Time to travel to warmer waters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted October 26, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 26, 2020 @ColeGiacopuzzi can’t wait to try it. Those numbers are for a 66 correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted October 26, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 26, 2020 @C5Quest yeah those are my 2020 66” numbers, give them a try and let me know what you think! Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted October 26, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 26, 2020 @ColeGiacopuzzi Will do.. wing 9 deg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted October 26, 2020 Baller Share Posted October 26, 2020 Yes @C5Quest Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted May 4, 2021 Baller Share Posted May 4, 2021 @ColeGiacopuzzi Have about 10 sets on my 21 now and getting back up to speed here in CT. Water temp still about 60 deg. Been using stock L/S just to get used to ski but ready to give your above numbers a go. Any updates or still relatively the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RGilmore Posted May 4, 2021 Members Share Posted May 4, 2021 @thager That's not a new concept. The original Jobe, debuting in the mid 70's, only had one mold - a 67" model. There is a fascinating story about how that mold came to be in Jeff Jobe's garage, which I do not feel at liberty to disclose. In any event, the 65" model was simply a 67" ski with 2" cut off the tail, the foam core carved out a bit, and the resulting hole filled with orange epoxy-based putty. (the putty was a very good color match for the orange hull of the ski itself). This sizing solution predated the adjustable fin and hard-shell bindings by at least a decade and a half, to give you a timeline perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted May 4, 2021 Baller Share Posted May 4, 2021 @C5Quest for 2021 I ended up pretty close to my 2020 numbers just a tad longer and bindings forward. landed at: 29 7/16 6.840 2.511 .751 9 Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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