Baller dskunhardt Posted August 18, 2021 Baller Share Posted August 18, 2021 Hi everyone, I wanted to try milling some grooves over my fin, still don't know if horizontally or diagonal or even s pattern. Just wondering if any of you have already tried this? Or if not but have some good ideas on mind I'm willing to try them. Let's see where can we go with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RGilmore Posted August 18, 2021 Members Share Posted August 18, 2021 It's been done. Somebody on here a few years ago posted a fin he had milled vertical step-grooves into, with the anticipated benefit being... I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aupatking Posted August 18, 2021 Baller Share Posted August 18, 2021 Go for it! If you’ve got a mill, hopefully you have a CNC and can cut more fin blanks. You’re not getting this right on the first try B) . But hey, maybe you blow through a few dozen and find a Whisper Fin or CG type breakthrough. On the very bright side, testing fins is way more fun than testing boot releases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted August 18, 2021 Baller Share Posted August 18, 2021 @dskunhardt Perhaps take a look at Hydrodynamics, not sure what benefits you would achieve on such a small area, I would think that you might get away with it on the thicker fins not so sure on the thinner ones, any groove could create a stress point, resulting in fin failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScottScott Posted August 18, 2021 Baller Share Posted August 18, 2021 @aupatking The fin testing could result in some release testing however.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ski6jones Posted August 18, 2021 Baller Share Posted August 18, 2021 This could produce some content for the "Why I love the internet" thread. Video testing please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ mike_mapple Posted August 18, 2021 Baller_ Share Posted August 18, 2021 I did some fin testing with a lot of different things, cutting grooves being one, and I have to say I didnt use them but my dad and a few other skiers tried some for me, will be interesting to see what you think! let me know and we can compare notes! Performance Ski and Surf Mike@perfski.com 👾 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dskunhardt Posted August 18, 2021 Author Baller Share Posted August 18, 2021 After all the research my first approach will be golf like dimple pattern. @mike_mapple For sure, I will be posting all my notes about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted August 19, 2021 Baller Share Posted August 19, 2021 Dont remember who came up with this back in what 2013 or 14? I set the fin down on an angle plate with double sided tape and milled 3 steps. Zero observable change. If you are RFF and want to test it send me an address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted August 19, 2021 Baller Share Posted August 19, 2021 Had photos of the set up with dykem and lay out but I am not going to pay photobucket to relive my misspent youth. Just measured the thickness did trig to figure out the depth of cut and angle then used a sine plate to set it up on my mill and touched off manually at each step on the shallow side with a cigarette paper then milled the length on the X manually. Backed off and touched on the next one and repeated. Again In think the idea is sound but Denali does this with their angle cut fin holes which reduce effective area with a lot less work and more repeatable outcome. NOT my idea someone posted it and I tried it. Followed by whatever rum Horton then pedaled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScottScott Posted August 19, 2021 Baller Share Posted August 19, 2021 Be interesting to try the effect on one side or the other, but not both (or more effect on one side or the other) Texture will reduce drag, similar to what HO does with their ski bottom. Keep the video rolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted August 19, 2021 Baller Share Posted August 19, 2021 This was one side only being RFF the oringinator thought the steps would cause turbulence that would reduce the offside surface area. If you recall washers under the finbox you will have the same idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted August 19, 2021 Baller Share Posted August 19, 2021 @AdamCord did you evaluate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted August 19, 2021 Baller_ Share Posted August 19, 2021 Laminar flow along a surface has less drag than turbulent flow therefore tripping laminar flow along the fin surface can increase drag. A fin sees both laminar and turbulent flow along its surface, you can see that on an anodized fin which shows the effects of turbulent flow. Flow analysis on a ski in motion is quite complicated. Hence, experimentation is the current method to analyze the effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 21, 2021 Administrators Share Posted August 21, 2021 you guys don't forget that flex matters. when you start machining material away your fin is going to flex more. More fin flex is going to make the ski slower out of the ball, potentially more forgiving, and maybe hold more angle. Slower and more angle may result in sore upper back. If you guys are just bored and happy to burn boat gas on an experiment, rock on. If you're doing this because you think you're going to improve your skiing I find that dubious. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Dirt Posted August 21, 2021 Baller Share Posted August 21, 2021 I can’t remember who but years ago he was messing with fins made of carbon or balsa. He reminded me of pinky and the brain. Well…pinky not the brain. The idea is good, the last guy whose name I can’t remember, not so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dskunhardt Posted September 8, 2021 Author Baller Share Posted September 8, 2021 The first prototype is ready. I won't be able to put it to the test until next week. I had some error with the setup on the CNC, but I will try it anyway. I keep you posted on the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimbrake Posted September 8, 2021 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2021 @dskunhardt - "the Titleist" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller igkya Posted September 8, 2021 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2021 @dskunhardt You missed a spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Cent Posted September 8, 2021 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2021 Wish you well with your testing. Let us know what it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted September 8, 2021 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2021 If you put it on a turntable and play it backwards it says "Wake Boarding rules"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted September 8, 2021 Administrators Share Posted September 8, 2021 @dskunhardt are the dimples on both sides? Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted September 8, 2021 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2021 @dskunhardt I do recall that mythbusters episode that concluded the dimples do indeed reduce drag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted September 8, 2021 Supporting Member Share Posted September 8, 2021 Looking forward to hearing about it. I could imagine no effect or unskiable or awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted September 8, 2021 Administrators Share Posted September 8, 2021 My purely unscientific guess is it will increase drag Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ALPJr Posted September 8, 2021 Baller Share Posted September 8, 2021 The HO Syndicate team calls it ‘speed’ skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aupatking Posted September 9, 2021 Baller Share Posted September 9, 2021 As long as the video is shared with us..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ swbca Posted September 9, 2021 Baller_ Share Posted September 9, 2021 Remember the fin holes that used to make a whistling noise ? I think it was because the first do-it-yourself holes were smaller. The resulting harmony of holes would change pitch with speed. If those small holes were used today, the skier speed range at 41off could generate 3 or 4 octave's. On our lake we could hear fin whistling a 1/2 mile away. I think the golf-ball textured fin will be silent and have less drag, but not as much affect as a couple of degrees of wing angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papp101 Posted September 10, 2021 Share Posted September 10, 2021 I have a small home CNC and think this project is awesome!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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