Guest Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 I've been offered a 2019 Senate Pro Build blank for similar price to a 2021 Senate Alloy. Seems like a good deal, however I'm concerned it may be too much ski more me, particularly as on a small lake with other boat wakes, wind and hence 80% free ski and at most 20% course. In course I'm currently running 15' off and 46/49kph This is follow up to https://www.ballofspray.com/forum#/discussion/25913/2016-syndicate-v-type-r-vs-2021-omni-or-senate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Kwoody51 Posted September 13, 2021 Baller Share Posted September 13, 2021 If the ski is the right size for your weight and speed there is no worry about it being too high end. @horton has said it before… the only disadvantage to the top end skis is the price. All features will benefit any level skier but you may not fully appreciate or notice all those features. Now the question of does one ski brand suit your style of skiing is a different question all together :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller powbmps Posted September 13, 2021 Baller Share Posted September 13, 2021 Just don't get frustrated if it feels quite a bit different at first. Similar but different....I recently went from a 2017 V-Type R to a 2018 Vapor Pro Build (couldn't find a Senate Pro Build in my price range when I was looking) and it certainly is taking some time to adjust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 03RLXi Posted September 13, 2021 Author Baller Share Posted September 13, 2021 " @horton has said it before… the only disadvantage to the top end skis is the price. All features will benefit any level skier but you may not fully appreciate or notice all those features. " I assume that's only referring to flex and not shape? I can understand it making sense if always in great conditions, coached, etc however I thought stiffer can cause problems when learning and on less than perfect water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted September 13, 2021 Administrators Share Posted September 13, 2021 These skis are SO different. I opt for the newer versions from whichever factory you like. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted September 14, 2021 Baller Share Posted September 14, 2021 I am currently on a 67" 2019 Senate Pro. Best ski I have been on in 10 years. Easy starts, forgiving, turns like crazy and is fast as lightning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted September 14, 2021 Baller Share Posted September 14, 2021 The senate pro build is going to be the same shape as the alloy with better guts. If they are the same price, size and and condition, get the pro build 10 times out of 10 even if its two years older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted September 14, 2021 Baller Share Posted September 14, 2021 Video on 2019 senate pro: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 03RLXi Posted September 14, 2021 Author Baller Share Posted September 14, 2021 Since learning to slalom I have only ever skied on HO System 8 which I purchased and HO V Type R which I borrow. I was thinking Omni or Senate based purely on reviews that they good to learn course with and for free skiing fairly aggressively. Based on my first thread I'd decided to just to keep using V Type R but then out of the blue got offered the Senate pro yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Fastguy888 Posted September 14, 2021 Baller Share Posted September 14, 2021 I have a 69" 2020 Senate Graphite am 6'2" 200lbs 32mph 15-22Off skier improving every set on the course and also ski open water, as others have mentioned the shape is the same between the build constructions; however, the builds do make it a much different ski (Graphite vs Pro etc). I should have opted for the pro build as people suggested. I think you would love the Senate Pro. The pro is stiffer and rebounds faster albeit under control vs my graphite. Possibly the graphite offers more suspension flex through a choppy lake; however at 6'2" 200lbs, I prefer a stiffer ski in chop as well, as it prevents the ski from getting overly active. With my graphite senate with certain wind textures on the water I sometimes feel a weird harmonic vibrations through the ski that makes it feel like it is slowing down, I like it best on glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted September 14, 2021 Baller Share Posted September 14, 2021 Personally liked the 2019 shape better than 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 03RLXi Posted September 15, 2021 Author Baller Share Posted September 15, 2021 Are you skiing it on man made ski lake with good conditions, or on a natural lake with wind, wakes and rollers from other boats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aupatking Posted September 15, 2021 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2021 I’d go with that Pro Build, all day long. Even if you don’t like it, the resale on the high end skis is higher and easier to sell. I haven’t found an HO that I really got along with since the A2. I have loved the Radars. Like Horton said though, they are SO different. The Radars seem to fit MY skiing. May not fit yours. Some people loved the V Type R. I did not. That Senate will carry you better at your speeds than the VTR, so you may like it for that and you will VERY LIKELY, never be too good a skier for that ski. My ski partner rides a Senate through mid 38 off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MDB1056 Posted September 15, 2021 Baller Share Posted September 15, 2021 I’m a Connelly guy so no vote here, but I can say my main ski buddy brought a brand new Senate Pro home from nationals (M7) and has never skied better. He’s running passes consistently, turning much better and has better form. The ski is definitely hooking up more for him too. Plus it’s a gorgeous ski. He’s coming off of a Syndicate Omni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 03RLXi Posted September 15, 2021 Author Baller Share Posted September 15, 2021 Sounding like its worth a go. FYI interest in high end slalom skis is limited in NZ hence why I'm being cautious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 03RLXi Posted January 10, 2022 Author Baller Share Posted January 10, 2022 Had my first tows on the 2019 Senate Pro Build during my summer holiday break. Wow, it feels so stable and sure footed! Initially I thought it was slow however then realised the difference is it builds speed smoothly and progressively, not the 'ping' acceleration I'd get from the VTR. Really helped me get my weight forward. Definitely a keeper! Had my Animal binding and RTP on it. Will try it with Animal rear boot in a couple of weeks when get another chance to ski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller drmadd Posted January 11, 2022 Baller Share Posted January 11, 2022 I'm not on a Senate. I ski with three people I ski with three individual that are. It is a wider ski. Makes for getting out of the water easier. I'm impresse. It's fast and they all appear to be on the high end of their potential. One is a record holder, in their age divisoon. I would consider firering one up. As to which model? If your a river rat, all would be great. If ski the course, you would be better off with at least a carbon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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