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Disland - I'd be curious on your settings if you don't mind.

Interesting comments. Anyway, just a can of worms. Its never easy.

The above comment really doesn't answer the original question. We need to consider the specifics of the whole forum string, above. The question seems whether or not the extra speed and extra given points will count toward a regional area record. Yes, the rules for R and L seem clear, but in a C tournament, one apparently earns extra points for the extra speed towards one's rating. It seems that the speed rules were established for a reason. As a safety director, I pay attention to skier injuries. I am seeing an increase in injuries to skiers who don't back down their speed as they age. Perhaps that's the reason AWSA slowed us old folks down. Perhaps skiers should be able to ski at the speed they are comfortable with, but not feel pressured to ski faster than their comfort level to gain extra points. Just wanted to add another out of context note about jumping. From what jumpers are telling me, slowing down can also be dangerous. For example, at the older levels jumping at Nationals -- a couple of excellent jumpers have had to cut later to gain speed for distance. Perhaps they would have had a better (safer) outcome if they could have skied at faster speed.

So back to my original question. If you ski 2mph faster, you get 6ea extra points toward your rankings, correct? Can you use the extra points for a record, even ifyou actually ran fewer buoys?

Maybe I haven't looked long enough on this site, but I don't see many comments on this Zero-Based Scoring. Is this a good idea? I'm fine with anyone wanting to ski at any speed in a tournament, but the idea of getting extra points for skiing faster kinda bothers me. Particularly when you are not able to do so in a record tournament. Yet it counts for ranking. At some point everyone will eventually realize it's safer for old folk to back down a little. I'm starting to see old, long-standing records go down because someone skied fewer balls, but did so because they were skiing faster (points). Maybe if one wants to ski faster, they can ski in a younger division and get the extra points in that division because they are older. Just a thought.

If SN would bring back the Bubble Butt hull, I think they would have a winner. I have the opportunity to ski behind everything, and in my opinion, it has friendlier wake than any of the new stuff.

Have Perfect Pass on older 1989 Ski Supreme. Yes, carburetor issue, but works great. Call the Company direct. They were super helpful. I ski about the same behind the old boat as new ones. Frankly I almost prefer the older boats. Your boat is a sweet boat. I think it's a copy of the old Master Craft.

Had a good friend (water skier) in great physical shape, that lived on an island, on a nice little lake in Wahington state. Always carried a 2x4 in case he fell thru the ice, so to pull himself out. We essentially had this same conversation after a tournament, at his lake. About two years later, at about one in the AM, he fell thru the ice. He was on way home. He was found 3 months later. Be careful!

Yikes - Good information here and really interesting. My question is, what the heck were you folks doing to trash your shoulders? Give me a tip how not to do so. Best of luck .

I'm not on a Senate. I ski with three people I ski with three individual that are. It is a wider ski. Makes for getting out of the water easier. I'm impresse. It's fast and they all appear to be on the high end of their potential. One is a record holder, in their age divisoon. I would consider firering one up. As to which model? If your a river rat, all would be great. If ski the course, you would be better off with at least a carbon.

Want something even worse! How about a pair of 210 Hexel Comps, paired with the Scott Boot. Holy C--P, try those on Ice. Another interesting long-lasting memory, I'll never forget. Even at my age.

Oops I forgot, I had that setup with the Gertsh binding, I had to be a a little carful. They released not only laterly, but upward.

I had the Hanson Pro I believe. THat was the years of the Jet Sticks. I was on a pair of Splading Siderals. The side cut on those were way back of center. A LA the French Techniqe. I though I was Jean -Cleud Killey. Skiing 5hose tails. Actually a good memory.

I was a Gertsch man myself. At least till I broke my leg in 1969. I'm using that on my trick ski now, with a Hanson Boot.

I believe I mentioned on another string that I split a Flex Tail and widened the tip. Flex tail has a 3" tail and fairly narrow tip. I widen tip to approx 7.20". Anyway the ski kinda rocks and comes out of the water nicely. Much easier then the WW. Anyway, three individuals I ski with have New Rader Senate's. One person has a total knee and the other has two total hips and the third is tall and is over 200lb. They love the way it comes out of the water. I measured them and the dementions are about the same as my Frankenstein I split. Three inch tail and 7.20" tip.The great thing about this Senate, they are skiing at the hi end of their potential. Its a performence compitition ski. Just a thought.

One of my ski partners has a Bubble Butt. You are correct, sweet ride. What happened to Nautique? Frankly I dread getting behind most of the new ones at a Tournament. The 20 ft isn't too bad with small motor. I have a friend who has the Centurion Barefooter. I look forward to skiing behind it. It's also a blast with a 24" pitch prop on my MAHA GT 84" SpeedSki!

Hi Phil - Funny to running into you here. I'm the one who corresponded with you on Ski It Again. Good luck on you hunt. One thing I didn't mention, is that I do have a newer 66" WR also that I may unload later in the spring. I really haven't had much time on it because I received it in the fall and plan on messing with it when it warms up. What I did find was it wasn't that much easier getting out of the water then the 64" I'm currently on, and a little too slow in the turns for my weight. The jury is still out on this one. Maybe others will have some thought on this?

I know that ski. Talked to KLP and that's exactly what it was. I think I'll just split my flex-tail and widen it. Maybe add a little MAHA.

Now I'm beginning to be curious what an asymmetrical actually is. In the old days we did it by working the bevels or grinding the fin on one side. Thats becoming a lost art. Is a Goode an actually warped ski? The commit above, about trying it I may like it is tempting. I see one online now. I can always make a chair or skateboard out of it.

Yo Dog Meat! You can see I'm up to no good again.

Horton - I'm currently on a Goode Wide Ride. Just thought it would be interesting to try a reverse. Thats why I started this blog. Just joking about going to Creags List thing. Although we have fired up some old skis at our lake before and been a little amazed how well they still ski.

Yes, I believe that's the ski I was talking about. Maybe I should search creags list.

Man, I wouldnt mind skiing behind an outboard, certified for tournaments. I'm sorry, but the new boats are beginning to suck in the wake department, particularly at the slower speeds, as one gets older. Just watch a video of Nationals or Hilltop. I understand why Tournament boats are getting bigger and need an open bow (Because a dealer can't give away a ski boat). I remember years ago skiing and driving a Mastercraft Outboard with a 225 Yamaha at a California Tournament. I skied well, and the woman and kids loved it.

What made me bring this up is, looking at an old ski diary that I just found, from about 30 yrs ago. I tried a right foot Asymmetrical Matercraft LaPoint, and really skied well on it. (Im left footed). I have a ski I like (yes it happens to be a Goode). Just toying with trying a wrong footed ride. No, not interested in combos, unless they are a pair of jumpers. We all need to take a suicide run once in awhile.