First there was S Lines

[Mastercrafter]

And now Z lines is here?

 

https://zlineusa.com/collections/slalom-ropes

 

Just ran across them on social media. Pretty vague.

[BigSpray]

Just received my Z line and I’m very impressed. No stretch unlike S lines Comp. looks and feels like better quality. I felt connected with the rope right out of the box.

Same price. All in tolerance after multiple rides.

 

[dave2ball]

Hummmm I believe I’ll have to try one.

[LK_skier]

@BigSpray - are you saying it has less flex then the S Line? At what rope length?

[BigSpray]

@LK_skier yes all lengths. Just a better connection with this rope. When I load the rope is there. No delay 22 thru 38 off. One of the best ropes out of the box.

[Mastercrafter]

Okay.. BigSpray.. new BOS user, private profile, a bunch of posts bashing S lines and supporting Z lines. Keepin it classy.

[kurt]

hahaha, masterline DBA (doing business as) Z lines

nice had me fooled for .3 seconds

[scoke]

Website established June 11, 2022.

 

Owner setup through a proxy.

 

No names or contacts anywhere on website.

 

Picture of stringing machine is professional and next to a commercial setup, not a garage or small space.

 

Suspect this is a spin out or side project of a part time employee from an existing company. Suspect ties to Florida and Alabama.

 

 

Something smells.

[Jody_Seal]

in the 80's and early 90's a company called freestyler ropes were one of the preferred ropes in tournaments at the time. Even up Start Masterline was buying bulk rope from them until they built their own braiding machines.

 

it is not a inexpensive endeavor for start up of a rope company let alone purchase braiding machines for waterski lines. Freestyler Braiding machines could very well be braiding bulk rope for an entity building waterski ropes.

 

Just throwing it out there for discussion.

Glad to see manufactured in the USA..

[BigSpray]

@Mastercrafter not bashing S lines. People ask for opinions on how the rope feels. Not everyone is going to like S lines nor ML. . Just like not everyone likes HO or Radar ropes. Should me mad or talk down to somebody because they don’t agree with you.

Oh I’ve been on the forum since 2011

[BigSpray]

@scoke S lines has the same basic picture showing there rope machine

[MI3Eventer]

@BigSpray not sure how saying "Frankly it just sucked" in another thread is not bashing it but I guess we have a different definition of bashing.

 

 

[RAWSki]

@MI3Eventer I think maybe @BigSpray was "waisted" when he/she/it wrote that review.

(Have We been 'Chipmaned' yet again?)

[kurt]

 

 

[BigSpray]

@MI3Eventer that is my opinion about the rope performance. Nothing was said about the quality.

[UWSkier]

Is this really what it looks like? If so... Wow...

[MI3Eventer]

@kurt hahaha bombshell dropped.

[scoke]

Jane Gay. Huh anybody know her?

 

Hilarious thread.

 

I’m about 80% certain I know who big spray is or their last name lmao

Hey bigspray, when are we gonna night ski on east/west at Okeeheelee again?

 

[MISkier]

Remember when companies just bought out their competitors when they got nervous about their market share?

[Mastercrafter]

Gosh darn it, I love free market capitalism.

 

S Lines.. next please build a $40K ski boat!

[dave2ball]

I’ve said this many times. If you ask a question or ask for an opinion you have no right to be angry about the answer.

[BigSpray]

@scoke not sure who you are but Thanks. I live in Washington. If ever

down there I may take that as an invite.

[Jody_Seal]

now if they would only make gloves in the usa...

so my scenario above proved out right.

[scoke]

Good news, think I am going to order as I know Z-lines quality is probably the same as Masterline quality or even better!

 

They use the same machines that ML does, even down to the red/yellow cylinder caps. Wow what a bargain. Maybe their cheaper as they clean the machine before taking pictures. What a deal.

 

Z-lines:

 

ML factory, cool stuff!!

 

 

 

 

Offer stands for any Ballers if you want sets at Okeeheelee. Bigspray, I don't believe you. I know who you are, it's ok :)

 

[MI3Eventer]

 

[dave2ball]

@scoke it’s not me. Sorry. But I will come down and ski with you any time.

[Mastercrafter]

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[Cooper_Trelawney]

[APB]

Dude this is awesome.

[Sedge]

@Mastercrafter I think I need to finish dialing in the rubber for our handles before I try to tackle the boat market. I like boats as much as rope but my wife might be a little upset if I take on that venture haha.

[RRGR]

@sedge, there are probably cheap Toyota Epic molds hanging out behind a barn somewhere you could get for cheap. (nice meeting you this past weekend!)

[JackQ]

This is an interesting thread! If ML was going establish a subsidiary for lower cost products, you would not of expected a name that appears to mimic a competitor with a likely intention to confuse the customer. This does provide an inference to ML's cost of sales, by the Z line price.

[Mateo_Vargas]

Very poor choice as a business name. Don't they know they will be last in the phone book?

[B_S]

@Mateo_Vargas I was thinking it must be Russian funded with that name! :p

[UWSkier]

 

[BraceMaker]

@JackQ - that's the thing if they feel threatened.... they already have a lower quality rope for sale.

 

They just need to make sure people feel like they can buy that rope, use it, and ski tournaments.

 

So their achilles heel is that they don't use their ropes in tournaments? Right?

[dave2ball]

@BraceMaker what makes you think it’s a lower quality rope? Have you skied with it? Have you seen It? Put your hands on it ? I know for a fact all your statements or comments are false

[UCFskier]

it cool Masterline decided to offer better pricing on their ropes (no matter the name).

[Andre]

If one ML is 80$ and the other ML top product is 190$,isn't there a different level of quality?

I will add that i bought several ropes from Joe at Cottonwood in the past including the ''ski club'' level ropes and top level ropes.

Certainly a difference in the quality.

Very happy with my 70$ ropes.Only a deep 35 skier...

[dave2ball]

Go to the web sites and compare. Majority or posts are written with out full knowledge of how the product compares or how it is offered.

[Killer]

@dave2ball Isn't the ML dlx 8 loop rope the same as the pro version but with fewer loops and colors? I've used both for years with no noticeable difference but the cost

[dave2ball]

@killer yes.

[BraceMaker]

@dave2ball

My comment has nothing to do with Z-line's products. I think 70 is an ok price for a mainline heck maybe 50.

 

If these are two totally unrelated ventures z lines vs masterline then I would expect that masterline is going to have to cut their prices over the next year if z-lines s-lines ho and radar all have very usable American made mainlines for under 80 bucks its gonna be pretty rediculous for masterline to be 180.

 

Of course if z lines is masterline well f that noise they already have cheaper mainlines. If this is that but cheaper...

 

But sounds like you can fill in details?

[UCFskier]

Im no rocket surgeon but it seems both Z line and Masterline have the same address... 700 W. Bay St. Winter Garden, FL 34787

must be the same company... good to see they are lowering their prices

[dave2ball]

@BraceMaker go to Z lines website and look around. They are build what you need or want. As far as mainlines. I have skied Z lines and feel very connected just like ML ropes. Same quality. Just doesn’t have many bells and whistles.

[BraceMaker]

@dave2ball sure I'm not impeaching quality but why is this a thing?

 

What possible reason does the top brand in the sport for ropes need to form a subsidiary to sell cheaper ropes?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jody_Seal]

It's like a Seinfeld episode !

 

And whats a Seinfeld episode about???

[rq0013]

@Jody_Seal Nothing!!

[mbabiash]

80$ for a rope.

Tie a few extra knots in it. 180$.

Ridiculous

I love my S line R3 will never buy

Another ML

[dave2ball]

@BraceMaker no idea.