Baller owennibley Posted April 16, 2023 Baller Share Posted April 16, 2023 We are using a shared boat between 8 owners and are going to charge by hour usage. On our previous boat (2005 196) we had individual keys tied to an assigned hour meter that kept track of each members hours. I'm just wondering if someone has a better setup that's easier or cleaner than that. Maybe something electronic with RFID tags? Our boat is a 2015 Carbon Pro. I'd rather not tear into the wiring and try to figure out where to splice the meter in if I can help it. There's gotta be something out there that shared boat owners are using. TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Rednucleus Posted April 16, 2023 Baller_ Share Posted April 16, 2023 (edited) My current techy level would be pen & paper 😞 Edited April 16, 2023 by Rednucleus 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MDB1056 Posted April 16, 2023 Baller Share Posted April 16, 2023 Yep…agree with @Rednucleuswould seem simple enough. Write down when start and stop. Keep the logbook in the boat . No wiring required 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted April 16, 2023 Administrators Share Posted April 16, 2023 at the club I ski at now we just have a logbook. somebody figured out what they think a ski ride should cost and we all just pay per ride. 2 Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted April 17, 2023 Baller_ Share Posted April 17, 2023 There’s gotta be a shared app of some kind for this but meant for a diff vehicle share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 03RLXi Posted April 17, 2023 Baller Share Posted April 17, 2023 (edited) Sorry to say it however if there's not enough trust between the 8 owners to use pen and paper then I suspect a partnership isn't going to work. Edited April 17, 2023 by 03RLXi 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dave2ball Posted April 17, 2023 Baller Share Posted April 17, 2023 @03RLXiif you can’t trust all partners involved maybe that partner ship should be split. If you don’t have trust between everyone they why be part of it. or just split 8 ways. The people who feel the value is not there may leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Rednucleus Posted April 17, 2023 Baller_ Share Posted April 17, 2023 @owennibleyhow do you guys supply boat gas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller chrislandy Posted April 17, 2023 Baller Share Posted April 17, 2023 It depends on on the setup, I looked at it for a communal members club boat. The idea was to have an RFID fob, this then allowed the engine to start and logged the time the engine is running via an Arduino. Have it allow the engine to start up to 2-3mins after shutdown to allow for driver talking to skier, skier boarding etc. (also gets around the forgetting to tap out issue) This then allowed the boat to be fueled & maintained by the club then time charged to each member monthly on a per minute basis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MDB1056 Posted April 17, 2023 Baller Share Posted April 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, chrislandy said: This then allowed the boat to be fueled & maintained by the club then time charged to each member monthly on a per minute basis. If you have to track this at the MINUTE level there is certainly no sense of trust among the owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller chrislandy Posted April 17, 2023 Baller Share Posted April 17, 2023 1 minute ago, MDB1056 said: If you have to track this at the MINUTE level there is certainly no sense of trust among the owners. It wasn't about trust, more about housekeeping and the club keeping records easily. Like keeping mileage records for work, the easier and more automated you make it, the more accurate it is, and actually gets done. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bikesrus Posted April 17, 2023 Baller Share Posted April 17, 2023 They have a pretty cool setup at LaPoints Ski Lake in Orlando. The members each have a code that gets keyed in and they get billed I think monthly (?). @lpskier would know the details. Seems to be more about sharing cost fairly….some like 4 passes. Others 8…… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Dano Posted April 17, 2023 Baller Share Posted April 17, 2023 How often do clubs get new boats and how many hours per year are they putting on them? if getting a new boat every year or 2 do the hours add up to be enough to effect value? If not why not just let the boat be enjoyed by all members without the stress. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller chrislandy Posted April 17, 2023 Baller Share Posted April 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, Dano said: How often do clubs get new boats and how many hours per year are they putting on them? if getting a new boat every year or 2 do the hours add up to be enough to effect value? If not why not just let the boat be enjoyed by all members without the stress. I was basing the calcs on a minimum of 500hrs a year and expecting 750, most of the members at ours do 50-100hrs a year on their own boats (and wanting to reduce the hours on theirs), it also attracts more members as they don't have the outlay and maintenance of a boat of their own. and as @bikesrus said, some like a couple of passes, some trudge up and down on a trick all day. I'd think, if you're only putting 100hrs a year on it, just divvy it up and have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted April 17, 2023 Baller_ Share Posted April 17, 2023 In our MC club boat at LaPoint Ski Park we have a key pad. Each member has a four digit code for personal skiing and a second code for guests. There is a club code for warming up the boat and doing course work. The boat won’t start without a code. It works great for keeping track of each member’s monthly use. It has the added benefit of reducing the hours out on the boat because if the motor is running, you are paying for it. The system works very well. Five stars. I’m not sure who makes the product but it came with the boat and we get out boats from Doug Meeker at The Liquid Edge. 1 Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bko Posted April 17, 2023 Baller Share Posted April 17, 2023 I can highly recommend the use of this time tracking app, preferaby installed on an early smartphone. https://www.xperttimer.com/ It is cheap and easy to use. Let me know if you need help setting it up for your purpose. We are using it in 2 ski clubs for over a century now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ mike_mapple Posted April 17, 2023 Baller_ Share Posted April 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, bko said: I can highly recommend the use of this time tracking app, preferaby installed on an early smartphone. https://www.xperttimer.com/ It is cheap and easy to use. Let me know if you need help setting it up for your purpose. We are using it in 2 ski clubs for over a century now. Can i borrow the time machine?? Smart phones a Century ago? Hahaha 2 Performance Ski and Surf Mike@perfski.com 👾 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller owennibley Posted April 17, 2023 Author Baller Share Posted April 17, 2023 @Rednucleus at the start of the season we evenly put in money to fill up a 500 gallon gas drum and we will fill up as needed. At the end of the year or as needed, we will tally the hours of each member and each member will pay based on usage. I believe our rate is at $35/hour right now. That takes care of storage, Maintenance, fuel, everything. This systems works good because then the persons who use the boat the most, also pays the most. It's not about trust as someone implies. It's about paying for your own usage. My previous setup was very loose and not a lot of "rules". Noone took care of the boat. Noone did any maintenance and it showed. Even though I "trusted" everyone in the group, I was stuck doing all of the maintenance, winterization and setup. It was absolutely not fair for me. Charging by the hour keeps everyone responsible and fair. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bko Posted April 17, 2023 Baller Share Posted April 17, 2023 4 hours ago, mike_mapple said: Can i borrow the time machine?? Smart phones a Century ago? Hahaha No, Mike! It works on any current Android-phone as well. We just use older models because we use the phone solely for that purpose and always leave it in the boat. 6-7 year old waterproof Samsungs are just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bko Posted April 18, 2023 Baller Share Posted April 18, 2023 12 hours ago, bko said: No, Mike! It works on any current Android-phone as well. We just use older models because we use the phone solely for that purpose and always leave it in the boat. 6-7 year old waterproof Samsungs are just fine. Ooops! I am afraid, my first response deserves a panda. Sorry! We are using that app in our boats for over a decade - not over a century... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller owennibley Posted April 18, 2023 Author Baller Share Posted April 18, 2023 To answer my own original question, I found out from another local skier who uses a similar setup, to splice the key/hour meter box into the tether switch wiring. Basically, a key from the box has to be turned on for the tether switch to work. This, I believe, is the easiest and the most simple to remedy my issues. If any one is interested, I can post pictures of the setup once complete. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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