Poland on the way to the Mother of all Overall Records?

[Horton]

Poland ran 3.5 @ 41 AND tricked 12,160 in the first round of the Masters Qualifier #1

If he booms a decent jump also in round 1 it will be an overall record for the ages. 

Of course, there is a complication. Slalom & trick is s at Drew's lake and jump is at Travers. It appears to be under the same sanction # but IDK if it will actually be viewed as one round by the IWWF. 

[Cooper_Trelawney]

He's become pretty much untouchable in Overall.  Is there the Overall series of tournaments again this year?

[RobHazelwood]

I spoke to Joel today, they were trying to push it to be counted as an overall round but it got changed as that would be a very large asterisk against a world record (his words not mine).  Not sure about about other levels or record capability or rankings list but no, he won’t be able to break the world record 

[Than_Bogan]

I would regard it as silly to deny a record assuming a single sanction.  If you don't want it to count as a record, then don't sanction it as an overall event in the first place.  (Which maybe they didn't for all I know.  Just commenting on the hypothetical.)

[RobHazelwood]

8 minutes ago, Than_Bogan said:

I would regard it as silly to deny a record assuming a single sanction.  If you don't want it to count as a record, then don't sanction it as an overall event in the first place.  (Which maybe they didn't for all I know.  Just commenting on the hypothetical.

 

I mean, splitting the event over two of the best lakes in the world 40 mins apart on separate days and calling it an overall score is very much not right from a record standpoint. To make an overall score however to decide who goes into masters completely makes sense as everyone at least has a level playing field. Joel said he was the one who argued against it as he said it would not be fair for anyone himself included. It show the kind of person he is!

[Horton]

7 minutes ago, RobHazelwood said:

Joel said he was the one who argued against it as he said it would not be fair for anyone himself included. It show the kind of person he is!

This says a lot about what kind of person Poland is. 

[Than_Bogan]

I can certainly agree that Joel is a great guy, but isn't this totally cut and dried?  It either is or is not a world-record-capable overall event.  If it's not, end of discussion.  If it is, then a record set in it is a world record.  What am I missing?

[Stevie Boy]

Joel Poland is the real deal !  Super Nice Guy ! Works Hard ! Plays Hard ! Plays Fair !

[BKistler]

Isn’t that Joel’s first time over 12 in tricks?

[Horton]

@BKistler

no. I haven't looked it out but I'm 99% sure he is tricked over 12 more than once in the past

@Than_Bogan

we are a small sport. sometimes there's compromises that create conflicts. in this case  Slalom and trick are at one lake and jump is at another because the primary goal is Masters qualifying. I suppose you could argue that jump should be under a different sanction number. 

The problem is that if we allow this to become a world record ( I'm loosely quoting an very wise but anonymous source) "then we've set the precedent where tricks will be held on the lake where tricks are perfect, and then slalom will be held on the most perfect slalom lake and then jump will be held on a third lake". at this point, the spirit of the overall record is significantly diminished.

[Wish]

🤔. So a world overall record can’t be set at a site like Okeeheelee do to trick, jump and slalom being on diff lakes?? 

[Horton]

@Wish

Everything in life is shades of grey.

do you think that from lake the lake in West Palm is equivalent to Drews lake to Travers?

[MI3Eventer]

Unfortunate that he won't have the ability to set another WR, but I think the rationale is spot on.  Shouldn't be able to set a WR on two different sites as that is a very strong precedent that would lead to record chasers in the future to pick perfect sites for every event.  

[Stevie Boy]

@Wish That would mean that various records set at Jack Travers Sunset Lakes would be void, probably best to talk about ski sites, rather than individual lakes.

Okeeheelee, has several lakes on one site, same as Jack Travers.

Interesting, if two or three lakes in a different location were part of the same event across a weekend.

If that was the case, more lakes would be able to accomodate the Worlds, seeing that some sites do not have jump facilities, in this scenario, skiers would not be able to pick and choose individual lakes to gain advantage, the same conditions would be for everybody.

I guess it's a discussion that would take place between the Top skiers and Officials if they ever decided to go down that route.

I am not suggesting that things need to change, but it would be nice if there were more events, with record breaking capability for participating skiers.

 

 

[Mateo_Vargas]

Too bad, would have just in time for Mother's Day

[Horton]

Ok so Joel's round 1 jump score is 211 (67.8m)

Would 221, 3.5@ 41 and 12,160 have moved the record? Is anyone able to calculate?

FYI - Jump is being held under a different sanction so there is ZERO controversy about his not being a record. It is just fun to speculate. 

[Kelvin]

His latest approved record is 2670.62.  He beat that by 3 points (2673.70) as Fluid.  His LCQ Scores combined are 2720.18, a 47 point improvement.

[ETskier]

Best water skier in the world right now. Great guy too. 3 event overall seems to be making a comeback. 

[LeonL]

Sort of off topic, but why were 2 sites utilized?

[MickeyThompson]

@RobHazelwood thanks for posting on BOS. Your connected information is always appreciated. 

[Broussard]

@LeonL There are two private lakes at the Isle of Lake Hancock development Lake Ledbetter (where the Drew Ross Ski Academy is and site of the MQS) and the HOA / ski club lake. Drew does not have a ramp on Lake Ledbetter so in prior years of the MQS, the jump portion of the event took place on the HOA / ski club lake. Given the fact that the jump portion is taking place at Sunset Lakes this year, I would assume an agreement with the HOA / ski club could not be reached.

[jjackkrash]

IMO, JP would be considered an elite pro trick specialist if that's all he did as well as an elite pro jump specialist if that's all he did.  I would not have said that about slalom a year or so ago, but jesus look out.  He's ran -41 and now seems like he getting looks at it more and more and its hard to view slalom as his "weak" event anymore.  I suspect he's gonna smash the overall record more than a few times in the coming not so distant future.