matthewbrown

There are phenomenal pictures posted on this thread, that being said I think the original post that started the thread is unbeatable.

@AdamCord exactly!

I believe 1@41 was his highest average for Wim among 2 different tournaments as listed on the world ranking list back in 2007. That being said he was definitely the shortest skier through 39.

Also Marcus Brown ran deep 41 a couple times at maybe 5’10”.

@RGilmore he was a pretty skier but was a 2@39 guy when the heat was on, not even in the same league as Terry or Dane. I’m not sure how tall Caldwell is but he’s run 2-1/2 @41 at a pro tournament and you know there’s more in the tank.

Terry has run 5@41, same as Dane.

@Horton I thought maybe the boat manufacturers would pitch in you know because they had such a banner year last year, there aren’t even any boats left to buy they crushed it so hard.

@elr that explains it, thank you! I wish it was webcast.

@dvskier Im not seeing the open women scores from the 2nd round.

@dvskier great thank you!

My natural weight is 175 at 5’11”, but one year I cut it down to about 168 and skied about the same but didn’t feel I had the strength. The next year I bumped it up to 180 with more weight training in the off season and I skied better that year, much stronger. So, I think there maybe is an ideal weight for each person individually, but for me whatever I had to sacrifice to get to 168lbs was actually a deterrent.

Where are the scores posted?

@mike_mapple in 2000 I skied a set with your dad in the boat, it was my first time running 39@36 and it was all because of how fired up he got me, and probably the driver. I was stoked and then he went out and ran 28,32,35,38,39,41 and 3@43 and I was like, ok so that’s how it’s done. He did the same exact thing on set #2, and there I was starting at 32 off. Humbled me pretty quickly.

O’Neill, the only way to go.

We are agreeing with everything once again, I think the discrepancy might not be in what the body is doing, rather what the ski is doing. You are talking about letting the ski smear well before the buoy and I’m talking about waiting longer to conserve all my smear, which I can do effectively if I’m on top of the ski. Mapple loses his connection into 2 ball once he allows the ski to shoot out in front of him during the transition pitching him on the tail in a steeply banked turn. This is not what Nate does. Nate doesn’t allow the ski to pitch out that far and be that banked until he is well inside the turning arc. He does this by staying flatter on the ski for longer and then pitching the ski out to the shoreline at the last minute which simultaneously allows his body to lead through the turn. It allows him to adjust errors that an earlier smear like Mapple’s would not allow. Again, Mapple is Mapple but he’s not doing it the ideal way. He is into 1,3,5 it’s a completely different and efficient turn as he waits to smear the ski until the last minute. Again, I’m sure we are splitting hairs and your idea of the perfect smear is only a couple feet earlier than mine. A sit down session in sunny Ca would be great. You are skiing so well in cold ass Washington, come down here and have some fun.

He still nearly ran 43 in that video, just legendary.

@AdamCord his best turn was 4 ball, and you can see why he kept his upper body on top of the ski more which slows down the early rotation, keeps a flatter bank and he’s able to dictate the turn on his own terms. Coming in to two ball he was on his heels and banking way too much, which resulted in a heavy turn. I’m not sure if we are saying the same thing here or not but you appear to believe that rotating early is better and I do not buy that as it almost always puts you on your heels as evidenced here in his 2 ball turn where you will have less control at the finish of the turn. In regards to Nate skiing an early line with rotation, so did Mapple Into 1,3,5 and you would always see that double pump. The double pump was him stopping the smear so as not to go inside the buoy just like Nate. This double pump has the happy side effect of allowing you to have the full ability of your smear at the buoy which is where I need it most, not off the white water headed toward the buoy.

Man I love these posts and I really admire him for his courage. Wish I could have met him. “Love Pain” that’s perfect for me it’s been a long battle with cancer as well and when you’re just clinging on it’s good that I can gleen some words of wisdom that help keep me pushing on.

Out of control

I can agree with all of that except the Nate part. He does as you said immediately the ski smears slightly but then he immediately and intuitively stops it. I have video from overhead and behind which gives a perfect view of how he stops the smearing process as early as possible, takes as much bank out of the ski as he be can so that the ski travels outbound while his body heads directly to the buoy through the turning process leading the turn. I am positive Mapple did this same thing into 1,3,5 and I’m equally sure that he didn’t into 2,4 as he always smeared too early and would fall over in those turns because of it. I’ll round that video up and post it later.

@adamhcaldwell there are major differences between the way Nate skis and the way Mapple skied. Mapple pulled too hard and too long and was always too banked into 2,4 which was his Achilles heel. But because of his superhuman strength he was able to get away with it. His 1,3,5 was spot on because his body was more up and inside the turning arc allowing him to smear the ski as late as possible. Nate skis with his mass much more ahead than Mapple at all times and therefore has a much flatter and progressive edgechange and he purposely holds off on smearing both sides until the last second at the backside of the buoy where all the magic happens. Nate can control his relationship with the boat(too much speed or slack) through the late smear much better than he could if he had used up all of his smear earlier before the buoy. The early smear is akin to heading to the batters box an attempting to hit a home run from a already half cocked position. It’s all about managing the finish of the turn when things go wrong, can you put yourself in the ideal position to handle it, skiing as early as you can is secondary.

@6balls gotcha brother I think I’m getting old!

I’ve got questions. If I’m running a little late in the course and I’m a lefty coming out of 2 ball and I pull/edge all the way to 3 ball, how much smearing is going on before I arrive to the buoy, or more importantly where does the smearing finally happen and then why on average does that turn tend to be better than the turns when I’m running early? What if I could take that concept further and mimmic that late smear while still running an early line?

@6balls I don’t see him falling back much at all, I see him having the luxury of being able to feather the tail of the ski while still keeping his mass ahead of the ski. An effective technique for managing the stresses incurred at the back end of the buoy.

@AdamCord Ill be Biden and you can be Trump? Oh See, I didn’t really say skiing and you can be skiing but Horton’s algorithm blew it up. I wanted to say that you can be bad orange man in this debate and I’ll be the senile grandpa candidate.