@Horton we all know places where the boats run less than half a day, they have members who haven't shown up to ski in months and they set the price of entry at more than a house at the other sites would cost to purchase, so I can see @chris_logan 's point. I am always grateful for my friends who let me come ski at their private sites, but the reasons pointed out in this thread are why those of us who ski at my open water site will let anyone who shows up with gas money ski for gas.