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Um....well.....oh hell, close enough

No. Fall is not even on the radar. I can tell because if it was I'd be in shape and walking down the line. I am falling on my opener. Therefore, it is early summer.

Well, I'm sitting in airports next couple of days so I'll give it a try. You are assuming correctly, of course.

@SkiJay‌ I'm sure he would. Unfortunately a list of circumstances (bindings, boots, tendons) prevent me buying a ski from him. Not fair to tie him up to satisfy my curiosity. He's got a business to run.

@Andre‌: I'm not lost. Here is a summary: Over-rolling the ski on edge. Is it possible and is it bad? I said yes and yes. @Than_Bogan‌ said: "its too complicated to be mathematically modeled" @Horton‌ said: "gator1 is probably talking thru his hat. And, the more the ski skids sideways during your pull, the worse off you are." AND, meanwhile in late breaking news, Mapple's patent-applied-for new ski appears to cooborate gator1's theory of the downsides of over-rolling the ski. AND...I still really want to talk to Andy about what he is doing. But, as a schmuck posting crap on the internets I have no illusions that will happen. That is all. Just pull harder.

Nothing more entertaining then IT guys doing physics and dynamics. Go Than go!

@ob count me in

@alex38‌ i snow skied for 6 years in a pair of boots that I had canted the left boot 5 degrees negative when it was supposed to be 5 degrees positive. Took me TWO years to learn to ski right once I got new boots. Pretty rough on the techy-engineery ego.

@ gregy yep. You'd almost think I read the patent ap. But I didn't. You can't read those till they're issued.

@gregy‌ And also explains what I was seeing watching Jeff ski at the big dawg. The ski was running flat, but the ski was helping him get flat while holding angle.

@Horton‌ Mapple Torque

@gregy‌ yep. If I understand the video he has put a soft torsional flex with a stiff longitudinal flex. This allows the ski to address my theoretical concerns about over-rolling the ski up onto its edge, and stalling it, by letting a portion of the ski stay flatter. Airplane wings do this by a designed in twist of the wing called "washout" which means the tips of the wings are built with a slightly less angle of attack than the root of the wing. That way when the wing stalls due to too much angle of attack the wingtip is still flying so it's a gradual stall. Same with this ski. You don't have to be on the razors edge to get max lift a 1/4 degree away from a stall angle of attack (heavy on line) Darn that Andy Mapple. I'd have figured this out in a century or so. I want one. Bad.

So @Than_Bogan‌, what do we think about the roll angle of her ski and the angle of her lean and the bite that powershell is putting on the side of her front leg. Hmmmmm?

@jimbrake‌ move to Colorado or wa. Anti ADHD treatment now legal

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Thanks George. I now stand uncorrected.

@jimbrake‌ Sounds like you are a smart man who is thinking just the right amount. My buddy who skis soft boots wanted to try my gatormoded Stealths, which I had a hell of a time skiing until I canted them. He'd never skied hard shells. He ran 28 up the rope into 38 first try. He also coined the now classic phrase as he stood on the platform looking at the boots and two dog collars and parachute cords of the prototype gatormod: "Um, there seems to be a lot of sh!t going on back here" @Than_Bogan‌ maybe you could turn your question around and get the answer I was trying to reach with my theory. Ask "why is heavy on the line/too much lean a bad thing?". Or, even more to the point "why can the studs hold more angle then the wannabe's with what looks to be the same degree of lean?". Or "WHY does Chet say stay on top the ski?" Until an "expert" can tell my why, I am just like a dog in a cartoon hearing "blah blah blah GATOR BAD blah blah blah". Without the why its just dogma to me.

Watch that heel shift go pro on ski video of Andy. Ski does not match shin bone angle. Stop a 41 off video of Nate at or in the wakes. Ski is much flatter than shin bone angle/ his lean angle. Don't have close up video of Jeff, but I was 40 or so feet away. I saw a flatter ski than lean. Maybe semantics, @Horton, but to be precise, I am saying in the soft boots ski roll equals foot angle, while it does NOT equal shin bone/ankle angle. Whereas in a hard high boot, ski roll is much closer to shin bone angle because the ankle/foot has been locked to the shin. By a quick static examination you can look at a pair of wileys on a ski without a skier in them. They point straight up. Put yourself or Jeff in them, and, since the your legs are attached to your hips, the cuff of the binding no longer points straight up. Both cuffs point out. The ankle on both feet has pronated (supinated, origaminated, some PT guy help me) and the rubber has followed the curve of the shinbone out. Just standing on the dock, ski roll is 0 degrees and shin bone angle is about 5 degrees. In a hard boot without canting the shin will be trying to achieve 5 degrees, but the boot won't let it, and will be cutting into the outside of both legs at the top of the cuff. This is why you never heard of canting when the only bindings were rubber, but when the super stiff ones came out it became a topic. And, I contend, is why it takes so long for many people to adjust to high stiff boots if they don't cant them. I'd sure like to know Andy well enough to ask him why he cuts his cuff down........Maybe some baller out there can ask him. @Than_Bogan‌ stop sucking me into this stuff. I've never gotten over my Panda on the whole straight back leg thing and I sense another one hovering nearby.

@Horton‌ I stand corrected. Thanks for data.

Been thinking a lot about the light on the line jargon, especially after watching the big Ds go from 45th seed to 1st. There are TWO angles of attack of ski to water. The first and most obvious is caused by rear/ front foot weighting. Too much weight on rear, ski points to sky and no matter how hard you pull, you are just plowing water. All this COM nonsense is really just making sure you don't stand on the back foot too hard when you're leaning. The second angle of attack I never thought about until I saw Rogers ski in those floppy Wiley's. If you imagine the ski almost 90 degrees to the wake, and flat on top of the water this other angle is how far the ski is rolled away from the boat about its longitudinal axis. (Tipped on edge) If the ski is rolled too far on edge it loses lift and creates drag. Far enough and it starts to stall, and slides towards the boat more than it carves across the wake. So I think weight on the rope has a central meaning. Pull vs speed. We know Nate breaks handles. AM can bend them at will. Not light. And light means lots of speed for a given pull. And I think there is the gross light on the line cause--front/rear angle of attack. And the secondary light variable-- longitudinal roll vs speed. I think Jeff and AM and Nate ankle the ski flat to attenuate lean and speed to secondary angle of attack. It's significant that AM cuts his reflexes down to just tennis shoe height.

@Sethro‌ still got it

I did. Looks great. You must have gotten my reply?

I'm getting ready to release V3.0. of gatormoded powershells based on @OB‌ tests of 2.0. I want to make sure I've covered all injury modes in this binding. This is a request for data from all ballers who have been hurt in a PS setup. I need type of fall and which foot hurt, as well as extent of injury. If you don't want to go public PM me and you're data will stay private. Thanks! Hope by now you all know I'm not on a witch hunt.

@BraceMaker‌: Well, in light of the guys getting messed up on these things that decision to just ignore twisting falls seems a little callous

I remember getting my reflex in the mail, opening the box, looking at it and thinking "wtf, how the hell will this thing release in a twister?" Theoretically, it won't. And as @gsm_peter‌ buddy has unfortunately proved for us, practically, it won't.