Baller ToddL Posted June 29, 2010 Baller Share Posted June 29, 2010 What's the solution to safer magnets? From Jason's twitter post: jasonmcclintock Hit a magnet going through gates, worst fall I've ever taken slaloming. Ski stopped!http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c54102/x2_1c794ddhttp://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c54102/x2_1c794dd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Wayne Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 If you're left foot forward that ski might have one hell of an off-side.TW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted June 29, 2010 Baller Share Posted June 29, 2010 They need to be stronger and deeper, a 3/4" pvc pipe keeping it at 1-1.5 feet below the water should do the trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck_Dickey Posted June 29, 2010 Share Posted June 29, 2010 Lower, should be 18" below the bouy. PP with pick them up fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MrJones Posted June 29, 2010 Baller Share Posted June 29, 2010 Ouch! I hit one going through the gates like that. A guy on our lake had a "better" way of attaching magnets than what we had been using. The fin was thicker than the thin Elite one and kind of did a banana peel thing off one side. A nice wake up call at 7:30 in the morning. Luckily I was collegiate age at the time. I don't think my current body would get over the hit as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted June 29, 2010 Baller Share Posted June 29, 2010 I've been using 2.5 inch ceramic donut magnets attached to the slalom ball nipple with plastic safety ties. Never had a problem hitting any of them in the last 10 years. Now that I have ZO I don't need them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted June 30, 2010 Baller_ Share Posted June 30, 2010 What do you specifically purchase when doing your own magnets? Does anybody have a good specification for a course magnet that can be purchased commercially to make your own magbuoys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ RichardDoane Posted June 30, 2010 Baller_ Share Posted June 30, 2010 I've spent too much time making my own magnets, and have learned to just order them now from www.skiertoskier.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted June 30, 2010 Author Baller Share Posted June 30, 2010 Confused... There have been comments about magnets not needed for ZO.  This may be true for a practice site, but at tournaments, we always need specific times for all buoys.  That means magnets at every set of boat guides and the gates. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller scoke Posted June 30, 2010 Baller Share Posted June 30, 2010 Todd: Welcome to 2010 and the age of ZO where you dont need magnest; no more archaic magnets unlike the other cruise control systems that cheat and need them. You are correct, no magnets. ZO has a setup mode and you program in the entrance/exit gates. It's a bit different for those guys skiing with the cheating system back in 2006 of Perfect Pass and Stargazer. Magnets are key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HO 410 Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Unless I am mistaken, Zero Off does not cross reference it's speed against magnet triggers. My understanding is that the sample rate is high enough, and speed accurate enough, that distance (and therefore time) can be calculated with a high degree of accuracy. If you used single-magnet timing, Stargazer works in a similar manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Roger Posted June 30, 2010 Baller Share Posted June 30, 2010 Magnets are still in most courses for people who can't (or won't) upgrade to ZO. ZO does not use magnets and due to differential GPS is accurate to .01 or better on times. This has been tested at several sites and by several different people by using magnet pickup timing and comparing to ZO times. They were/are always within .01 of the magnet times regarless of wind/skier, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Roger Posted June 30, 2010 Baller Share Posted June 30, 2010 BTW, in my opinion, that magnet strike (I agree the magnet was too high) was due to missing the gate. Can't imagine the fin contacting the magnet without a missed gate though I suppose anything is possible. I suppose he could have been late enough through the gate to contact the left hand gate's magnet. Our magnets (at Okeeheelee) are too low for this to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ RichardDoane Posted June 30, 2010 Baller_ Share Posted June 30, 2010 There will always be a need for magnets, there's just too many older boats with PerfectPass still in use. Stargazer is nice because now you just need one at each entry gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted July 1, 2010 Author Baller Share Posted July 1, 2010 Thanks, folks. I assumed that those 3 and four ball times were magnet based for ZO boats.  You know what they say when one assumes... Now, I know.  ZO = no magnets required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted July 1, 2010 Baller_ Share Posted July 1, 2010 I would still be interested in feedback from anybody who bought thier own magnets as to what they purchased? The 2.5" donut magnet sounds like an interesting and simple option. I am just pretty much interested in what characteristic is key for an appropriate strength magnet. Thx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ RichardDoane Posted July 1, 2010 Baller_ Share Posted July 1, 2010 deeper means you'll need stronger, skiertoskier.com has different sizes/strengths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted July 2, 2010 Baller_ Share Posted July 2, 2010 OB, still available? If so, I'll take them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GAJ0004 Posted July 2, 2010 Baller Share Posted July 2, 2010 I have the s1-x magnets from skier-to-skier. I have six of them placed about 2 feet down, so far no problems. I used six to set up my Perfect Pass Stargazer, but I run it on single magnet mode. Friends of mine have boats with Zero Off. One is a 2008 MC PS 197 TT with both systems. I am still using Perfect Pass until I can figure out which setting to use on ZeroOFF. It works great once you map the course coordinates. I am still trying to find the letter number setting that is the most similar to Perfect Pass. Any ideas? Both of them beep at each gate when they are in use. I tend to let my ski finish the turn, pause, then load on the rope. Per the article in WaterSki I am thinking A3 may be the right setting for me.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ RichardDoane Posted July 5, 2010 Baller_ Share Posted July 5, 2010 A1, and remember to stay on the handle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller scoke Posted July 5, 2010 Baller Share Posted July 5, 2010 GAJ, aren't you a 36mph skier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted July 6, 2010 Baller Share Posted July 6, 2010 What issue has the article on ZO? I must not have gotten that month's issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Roger Posted July 7, 2010 Baller Share Posted July 7, 2010 As someone who has only recently come from PP (classic in a 200 SN) to full time ZO. I have to say that for me, the closest setting to PP is C(you pick, for me it was 2). The reason is that PP is a constant RPM system when not using the switch, so it is always there when you finish the turn. C picks you up the earliest and so feels the closest to PP to me. I spent the first year and a half using other settings because I mistakenly thought C meant "harder." It doesn't, it just means earlier. To help the situation, I went from KXn to KX++ in practice and that helped quite a bit.Now that I have an 09 SN and ski ZO every set, I'm still using C2. However, now that there is a lag in tournaments (since I'm not going to Regionals or Nationals), I will play with the other letters a bit to see if I like something else better. If you've been afraid of C, give it a try as you might be surprised... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old MS Accout Posted July 7, 2010 Share Posted July 7, 2010 B1 Rocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted July 7, 2010 Baller Share Posted July 7, 2010 Yep, I'm with C1 now too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rayn Posted July 7, 2010 Baller Share Posted July 7, 2010 I only ski with PP classic and Stargazer at my home sites. I have come to Coble's ski school the last 3 years and the first year I hated ZO and had them switch me to classic. The second two years I used A2 on ZO and have not noticed a considerable difference to PP. 5'11"/165. My suggestion would be to try A2,B2 and then if you don't like either try C2 and so on until you find one you are comfortable with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted July 8, 2010 Baller Share Posted July 8, 2010 If anyone needs magnets, whisper me, I have a closet full of magnets, will sell cheap, half price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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