Baller MattP Posted October 23, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 23, 2010 I just saw a post on Facebook that the Carbon Pro will be pulling at Nationals in 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Kelvin Posted October 23, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 23, 2010 It's must qualify first by pulling enough events in enough regions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jdarwin Posted October 24, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 24, 2010 Centurion is an official sponsor of Nationals in 2011. Whether or not their boat is used will be determined through out the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MAD11 Posted October 24, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 24, 2010 Official boat sponsor or overall sponsor? That's a big switch if they are overall sponsor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jdarwin Posted October 24, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 24, 2010 They will be one of the Title sponsors of the 2011 Nationals. They are determined to have enough boats out in the marketplace to qualify to pull Regionals/Nationals. I hope they are successful but it will be an uphill battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dave2ball Posted October 24, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 24, 2010 It will be interesting. The promo price is to be rumored to be around 40K. Pretty steep for an unproven boat and the retail price to be around 50K As stated earlier it will be an up up hill battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jim Posted October 25, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2010 40K is a heck of a lot better than the 50+ for one of the big three. Boat is unproven but the company is not. Fineline has been around for a while and according to the boarders they build innovative, quality stuff. I'm hoping they make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted January 14, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted January 14, 2011 2100 lbs is extremely light. Mid '90's boats were in the 2400# range with the light weight Gekko at 2250# and the current average seems to be right around 2800#. That will certainly help the wake. I will be very interested in hearing feedback on how that boat ski's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted January 14, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2011 I was at a demo day for this boat back in November at Skyview Lake in NC. While I didn't ski behind it; there were about 6 -7 skiers of all different levels that did. All of them commented that, generally, that the wakes were great and the pull felt fine. FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller auskier Posted January 15, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 15, 2011 700lb or so less weight should help fuel economy too. using X% less fuel will become a much greater selling point, especially compared to a CC 200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrB Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 What is on the floor? Is that carpet, rubber or fiberglass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted January 15, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 15, 2011 Whatever it is, my guess is opinions are mixed; some might love it and some might hate it. I want carpet in my boat, and they can keep their backboard, too. Centurion fan though (actually still own a mint '91, though don't run buoys w/it), so happy to see them making a run at a slalom boat. Would like to see them take back the barefoot market that was theirs in the late 80's to early 90's as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted January 16, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 16, 2011 rubber floors. I think it was a good idea. Every carpet I ever had got worn out within 2 years. Rubber floor doesn't mold, dries out quickly, easy to clean, etc. etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted January 16, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 16, 2011 I like the rubber floor idea. I am one of those that really wants an open bow though. That would stop me from considering a Centurion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrB Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Boat show is usually after the auto show (Detroit area) in late January early February. It will be nice to see a new ski boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LakeOneSkier Posted January 16, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 16, 2011 Went to the Houston Boat show today hoping to check out a Carbon Pro, no luck.  There were only 2 direct drives in the entire show: one Response LXi and one Moomba Outback. And, not a single slalom ski.  We spent more time checlking out the RV's than boats, guess I'm done with Boat Shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted January 17, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 17, 2011 LOS, there are only about 6 Carbon Pro's in existence according to the Centurion guys. Our booth was next to theirs and we were asking them about it too. We(Dockside Marine) wanted to bring our 200DD but we just ran out of room having added Mastercrafts in addition to Nautiques in the last month. Plus the 197 hadn't come in yet. For the on the water boat show in Clear Lake in a few months we'll have at least one 200DD and one 197. If not more. We were actually surprised by the number of people coming in to ask about direct drives this year. More than the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dave2ball Posted January 18, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 18, 2011 If there are only 6 Carbon Pros built Centurion is going to have one heck of a time getting qualified for regionals let alone the Nationals. I wish them luck. It would be nice to have another option at the starting dock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted January 18, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 18, 2011 Austin, TX Boat Show is this week - weekend. I know we'll see a Malibu LXI and a SN200. Beyond that, who knows... http://www.austinboatshow.comhttp://www.austinboatshow.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/CDS-Directional-Floor-Plan.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jdarwin Posted January 19, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 19, 2011 Centurion could qualify for Nationals w/ 6 boats (need one in each of the 5 regions). Problem is, they need 6 "sold" boats - not 6 "built" boats. There's a distinction. In Infinity's BEST year, they sold 12 boats. They qualified to pull Nationals for several years. Infinity sold a grand total of 50 boats during their run. If Centurion is serious about carving a spot in a very small niche market, they will have to offer something the other 3 do not. Be that quality, features or most importantly, price. At $40k (promo price), no one is going to beat down their door to buy. At $35k, they would raise some eyebrows. In the promo world, you're asking your member to sell a "used" boat in a difficult environment against well established competitors. The competition has spent significant dollars creating their brand in the marketplace. They all represent quality and offer a laundry list of features. So that leaves price as the ONLY distiquishing factor for the Centurion promo members to offer. Centurion would be wise to follow Malibu's business model from the 80's. Bring a comparable product to the field at below-market price and build your following. Then, slowly bring your pricepoint inline with your competition over a period of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted January 19, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 19, 2011 That's how Lexus did it in the auto market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old MS Accout Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 I am helping my former CC dealer who is now a Carbon Pro dealer at the boat show this weekend. I should be able to get some facts on numbers and get them out to everyone. Not price but build and promo type of stuff.       Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted January 19, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 19, 2011 You're helping? Wow! I thought Son wanted to stay in business. : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old MS Accout Posted January 19, 2011 Share Posted January 19, 2011 Watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted January 19, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 19, 2011 When i talked to them recently (when they had the 196 swc bought), they had no clue about the Carbon Pro. Hopefully they have become more educated or you will be doing the teaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old MS Accout Posted January 20, 2011 Share Posted January 20, 2011 I spent a weekend in Oct with Will and Crawford and they sold me on the boat. I need to ski/drive it before I go all in on the kool aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted January 20, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 20, 2011 The rep here, or at least the one that met us out at Skyview Lake for the demo day, threw out some ball park pricing (around $35K) and said they would be working with those first dozen or so promo guys / buyers to get them in at an attractive price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dave2ball Posted January 21, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 21, 2011 Here is an idea... Why doesn't Centurion offer make the dealers take the boat back. This will actually promote the boat. It allows the promo person to give demo's with out the worry of doing all the leg work and have the dealer snake the sale. The promo guys will then send there local dealer leads and in return the dealer will take the boat back at an redetermined price. That will keep current year boats on the tournament lakes and there will be no dealer competition. A promo person is going to send a lead/prospective buyer to a dealer when he has the same boat he needs to sell. Centurion may may have more people stepping up then they can handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old MS Accout Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 I always wanted it that way with CC but only had 1 year of that program. It would keep the promo guys from pricing against each other and keep the value of the boats higher so the dealers would not loose there butts on hold over new boats.   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted January 21, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 21, 2011 I am heading to the Seattle Boat Show today, I sure hope they have one to gawk at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted January 23, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 23, 2011 MS, How was the kool-aid at the boat show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScarletArrow Posted January 23, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 23, 2011 I think a good way for Ce to gain market share is to reinvent how the promo program works. It's dying a slow death for the big 3 b/c it's a losers game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old MS Accout Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 No carbon pro there.There was a 2011 MC for 47k2010 200 for 50kLXI for 50kThey are makeing the carbon pros as fast as they can. About 1 boat per week. They will have enough out there to get qualified for nats. The boats being made are going right to the buyers so its tough for them to get them to all the boat shows going on. Most boat shows are within a few weeks time frame so it tough to get the boat out to show every where. The build quality of the surf and wake boats look pretty good. PCM engines and some quality interiors. I hope it carries to the carbon pro. The 2011 200s had a sign on them that said from 63k. They had a 200v but it had a tower on it that will make short line impossible. With that tower, there is no such thing as a crossover boat unless you stay at 28 off. Not sure why you would want it if you cant ski it and if your a wake boarder, you have to have a tower. it is a big engine cover to get over if you ski from the platform. The 200v had a from 67k sign on it.        Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted January 23, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 23, 2011 I heard the same thing on the Carbon Pro at the Seattle show. The rep said if I wanted to get on a list they would sell me one on a basic trailer with zero off for sub $40k, but he thought the price was going to go up once they get a few more out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller auskier Posted January 24, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 24, 2011 i can by a 2011 200v with a tower FROM 95k down here. YAY!!! http://www.ballofspray.com/vanillaforum/js/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-money-mouth.gif http://www.ballofspray.com/vanillaforum/js/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/smiley-yell.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted January 24, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 24, 2011 Considering that the current towboat policy says they have to pull 20% of the tournament rounds in EACH of the regions to qualify for nationals, I'd find it hard to believe they'll be able to be ready for the 2011 nationals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old MS Accout Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 From what I heard, between the dealers and promo guys it will get done. The dealers will be getting the boats to the events.   Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted January 24, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 24, 2011 Mark, I'm assuming the $47k MC was a 197? It makes me wonder what someone could pick up a 190 for, after some back and forth pencil sharpening? If the new hull for 2012 is the real deal, without too much of a price bump, that could give CC some trouble potentially? I kind of like the new MC upholstery, as it feels like the stuff from the mid 80's, only much more durable to the touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old MS Accout Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 It was a 197. It may be priced that way due to the 2012 hull change. Taking the 196 out of the equasion, old hulls do not have good resale. IE, 96 Nautiques, 97-2001 MC, pre diamond hull Malibus. I love to ski behind the current MC as long as JD or someone is driving it. It is a big cockpit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted January 24, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 24, 2011 I talked to Zane Schwenk at the boat show and I asked him if there was a hull changed planned for 2012 and he said no. I told him I heard it some place ( I actually have from a very reliable source) that they were and he said that MC is always working on new things but nothing planned anytime soon. But you should have seen his face when I asked about the hull changed he look all surprised that I knew about it then acted like nothing was changing. Those factory reps will do anything to sell a new boat for the year and not have a loyal customer get stuck with a old hull when a new one is coming out soon. We told him we were not buying but only looking and he kept trying to get up to put down a hold payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted January 24, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 24, 2011 Just because it is a new hull doesn't necessarily mean it will be better....ala...MC 1994 to 1995 or 1996 redesign..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted January 24, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 24, 2011 but it could be a revert back to 94-96 always a possibility! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted January 25, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 25, 2011 My ski partner(who's a MC and Nautique dealer) and I had dinner with a Mastercraft VP two weeks ago and heard some of what they are working on for the new hull. It's real, and interesting, but no date set. It won't be for 2012 as they'd need to have molds ready for production by May to start building boats in July.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Obermeier Posted January 25, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 25, 2011 My of my best ski buds has a '95 190 and it skis and drives awesome, one of my favorite boats to drive/ski. Don't understand your issue there skibug. The '94 is definitely an awesome boat (especially with EFI and Powerslot) but IMO the '95 is equally good, and roomier too. Maybe I'm in the minority?Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted January 25, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 25, 2011 I wasn't sure of the year they changed the MC hull...maybe it was '96? Either way, they had a run of hulls that were not so good, somewhere in the late 90's into the early 2000's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCskiFreak Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 '98 model year redesign is the one you are referring to, the design had some dynamic stability issues and were easy to chine lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller unksskis Posted January 26, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2011 yep, 98 190 was the only one with issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jdarwin Posted January 26, 2011 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2011 I hope Centurion can get a boat into the SCR by June. I would love to have one at my ELR the first weekend. They could get lots of feedback from high-end skiers/drivers and create some positive buzz going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old MS Accout Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Joe,I will get the info to the promo rep and if there is one in the area, he will get it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemsondave Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 A buddy of mine is considering becoming a promo for them. He's picking one up tomorrow and we're going to ski it this Saturday. Honestly, I have not followed this thread, but if anyone wants me to check out specific things, take pictures, etc just let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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