Baller aswinter05 Posted March 13, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 13, 2013 I know a lot of you on here have 196's w/ zero off. I've got an opportunity to pull the trigger on a dandy. Boat is nearly flawless. almost 500 hours. Zero off, Limited Edition, 422 prop, amazing trailer. What would you pay? Thanks ballers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted March 13, 2013 Administrators Share Posted March 13, 2013 You should not get it. Who is selling it. Can I have thier phone #? Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mwetskier Posted March 13, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 13, 2013 my brother in law paid 24,800 for the identical equipped boat zo limited same hours no trailer in the winter of 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 13, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 13, 2013 @mwetskier, he must have stole that boat. Impossible to find a 2008 right now at that price, let alone 3 years ago.... even without the trailer (2-3K) He could turn that boat today for a 6-8K profit.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted March 13, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 13, 2013 In October of 2010 I sold my identical boat with 400 hours for $29,500. It would seem the asking price on that boat today is $32k, which I feel is high. But that's what the market dictates. I'd doubt you could get it for less than $30k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 13, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 13, 2013 Hmmmmmmm...... if I could only see what the boat market is going to look like in 5 years...... I may be able to get this one at $31K, which I thought was a good price considering the condition. But now ya'll have me thinking I should probably back off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted March 13, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 13, 2013 I paid $27k for my '08LE (125 hours); sold it for $30k the same year - 2011. I personally think anyone paying in the $30's for one is nuts, but it's happened more than a few times recently. I have a personal hunch that pattern is coming to end, but I could be wrong. I'm very curious to see what the new Prostar will do to the market. If it's all we hope and hear, there could a fleet of 2010-2013 197's out there with tanked values, which wouldn't help late-model 196 prices. A crystal ball would be nice to have right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bdougherty Posted March 13, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 13, 2013 My opinion is that the 196 market is at a high point right now. But on the other hand it is about your only ZO option that has a great wake for around 30k. Crazy to think a 5 yr old boat can still bring that kind of jack but that is the market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bulldog Posted March 14, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 14, 2013 I would not pay more than 29k for that boat. "Do Better..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted March 14, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted March 14, 2013 @aswinter You can thank the 200 for the price change since 2010. The boat your looking at is probably our 08. Blue Black with about 500 hours. Cant go wrong with it. You will not get it for 29 and you will not find an 08 196 under 500 hours for 29. That is a very hard boat to find right now due to the cost of new ZO boats and the fact that the 196 is better than all of the rest. People look at the cost of going new and realize they already have a top of the line boat in the 196 and just decide to keep what they have. We now have an 09 and will probably keep it for a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted March 15, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted March 15, 2013 Looks like even the older TSC1s ones are holding more value then one would think. http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?topic=Search&category=Comp_Boat&postid=22575 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jdarwin Posted March 15, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 15, 2013 I believe the 196 took a hit initially when the 200 came out - same thing occured to 1995-96 hulls in 1997 when the TSC hull first appeared. The difference from 1997 is the significant price jump of the new hull that eventually led to the stabilization of the 196 pricing and as the supply of boats has diminished, the value has appreciated accordingly. Market forces - it's an amazing thing to behold. As a pure slalom tractor, the 196 is hard to beat....at any price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted March 15, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 15, 2013 Let's say CC decided to produce the 196 again as a bare bones training and/or tournament boat. What kind of 200 cannibalization do you think there would be? Would a decent percentage of the promo team go 196? Obviously the price would dictate the answer quite a bit, which leads me to this... would it even still be possible for CC to sell them for $40k-ish, give or take, and still make a profit? I've wondered the same with MB boats. I imagine they still own the '91-'94 Prostar molds? Could they be pulled out of storage to build an entry level tow tractor on the "cheap"? I ran my '91 Prostar along side my bro's 200 all last summer, and that MC hull is still no slouch. Pop in an Excal with ZO, and bada bing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashman Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 @swc5150 you nailed it on the nautique forum in talking about the boat below. There's a significant jump for the ZO equipped 196 compared with pp http://www.planetnautique.com/vb3/showthread.php?24096-2005-Ski-Nautique-196-Limited 22k seems like a great deal on that boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted March 17, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 17, 2013 @crashman that guy has a very nice boat for sale...but I think swc5150 hits it on the head in that forum...either newer SN196 w/ZO or take the best condition TSC hull one can find. I have a '00 196 with GT40. Why would I buy a '06? My buddy has a '97 w/GT40...why would he want an '06 (ok, cuz his doesn't run worth a shit). Ooh, I'm sending him that link...I want him in a nicely priced '06! I'm not a planet nautiquer...anyone got an email to PM me for the seller? Maybe I can get my buddy to consider it. THX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted March 17, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 17, 2013 That Silver 196 on planet nautique is one of my old boats. It is an awesome boat. Sold it in 09 to buy MS's 08 promo 196. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jdarwin Posted March 17, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 17, 2013 $22k is a steal for that boat - even after adding ZO, you're at $25k - a good investment IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 17, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 17, 2013 If that boat wasn't in Texas i'd have to consider it. Thank god it's not closer because then I might actually have to consider not purchasing a 200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted March 17, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 17, 2013 @aswinter05 Just ship it! I can vouch for that boat. I had it in my garage until I sold it and the guy who bought it from me garage keeps it too. While I had it I put the stereo, amp and sub in, added the stargazer and tested props, ending up with the Acme 470 3 blade that's on it. Plus, I had the trailer built new in 08. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 17, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 17, 2013 yea... there's something about not being able to drive the boat and talk to the previous owner in person that makes me uneasy. I'm sure 99 times out of 100 i'd be fine with having a $22K boat shipped to me and the engine, gelcoat, and vinyl be in good shape. It's that 1 time out of 100 that scares the poop outta me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rodltg2 Posted March 17, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 17, 2013 @aswinter05, I totally agree. That's why I waited to find a boat within driving distance. So glad I did as its been great so far. I got screwed buying a boat sight unseen once and never again. It was not to my standards so I sold it right away at a $3000 loss. I wasn't going to screw someone else. It was mechanically sound but the interior and gel was not as described. Pictures don't always show the reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashman Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 @aswinter05 road trip! 890 miles from Indy to Dallas. It would be worth it just to get a few pulls since the weather sucks so bad here in Indiana and if the boat is to your liking you would save a ton over a 200. But of course I do want you to get a 200 so I can meet up with you and ski it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seks69 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I have a 2007 with a little over 300 hours ZO in the Indy area, Ramlin boiler plate trailer -- $32000. Private lake use only -- can demo on my private lake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seks69 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Wow! Maybe it was because you put 250 hours a year on it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seks69 Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 All I can say is Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andy Posted March 18, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 18, 2013 @ShaneH and aswinter05, I've been thinking about that tx boat too, largely for the reason jdarwin stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jdarwin Posted March 18, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 18, 2013 As an owner of a 2007 196 w/ZO who has less than $28k invested, it warms my heart that these models are holding their value so well. I"m afraid the day I'm faced with "upgrading", there won't be any suitable choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jdarwin Posted March 18, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 18, 2013 @Andy - good move. The main factor most boat buyers fail to consider is not what the boat costs to buy but what the boat costs to own. If you have $25 invested in the 2005 after upgrading it to ZO then keep it for 5 years, what would its value be? $20k? OK, you've lost $5k in value over 5 years. Try that with a 2013 SN200 or comparable boat. I never look at the cost to purchase. I focus on the resale value in 1,2 or 5 years and from that, determine the true cost of ownership. Oh, and cost of money on $25k is less than $45-50k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashman Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 With what the 196 market is doing right now I'm a little surprised the Carbon Pros have been sitting around on the market for so long. But then again I've never been in a Carbon Pro. If I were in the market for a low hours ZO slalom tractor but didn't want to pop for a 200 it looks like something like Dave's CP would be a good option. I'm just glad I don't ski tournaments so I don't have to care about ZO and thus can keep my GT-40 forever. http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?topic=Search&category=Promo_Boat&postid=18048 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andy Posted March 18, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 18, 2013 @jdarwin-I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted March 18, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 18, 2013 @crashman if I needed a ZO tractor today...I would be hard pressed not to hit up @waterskigirl. If I remember right they wrap their ski school boat, then unwrap and sell each year. Last year they had a 2011 that racked up big hours in one season but was asking something like $25K at season's end. A one year old ZO equipped slalom tug for $25K is pretty cool. As long as it's maintained well I really don't care about the 800 hrs given I put on about 50/yr. Having said that given I picked up my 196 w/84 hours on it...she's got a LONG way to go before worn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted March 18, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 18, 2013 @Andy That is a really good boat. I haven't seen it in a while but the guy who bought it was meticulous and I know for a fact it was pristine when I sold it. Everyone loved skiing behind it and the color combo is the best I've ever had. If you want other pics, I still have outside pics I can send to you. FWIW, I have nothing to do with the seller. I just know that's a good boat and would hate for someone to miss out on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jipster43 Posted March 18, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 18, 2013 @ShaneH Don't be afraid to post pics. I won't be skiing for another month and could use a little distraction at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seks69 Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Some pics. This is not my trailer - mine is white. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted March 18, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 18, 2013 Here's some better pics outside of the silver boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted March 18, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 18, 2013 Here's some better pics outside of the silver boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted March 18, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 18, 2013 Damn, I'm dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted March 18, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 18, 2013 Damn, I'm dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andy Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @ShaneH...thanks for the pics. Great color combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andy Posted March 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 19, 2013 @ShaneH...thanks for the pics. Great color combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jdarwin Posted March 21, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 21, 2013 2007 on SIA for $32,300. NM/NA. Nice boat. Seems if you're trying to find a good, clean 196, you're going to spend north of $30k to get it these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 21, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 21, 2013 I think I'm willing to finance an additional 8K for a used 200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted March 21, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 21, 2013 @OB I might add IF it were to ever sell south of ATL I come with it as a full time driver. All I require is room, board and a straight drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JC McCavit Posted March 21, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 21, 2013 As a slaom only guy, I would not even consider paying $30,000.00 for a 196 if I could get a low hour 200 for only $8,000.00 more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aswinter05 Posted March 21, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted March 21, 2013 @OB PM sent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted March 21, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 21, 2013 OB's boat is a good deal. I skied and drove it many times while Joe had it at Cottonwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashman Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 @aswinter05 Colts color boat- go for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted March 21, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 21, 2013 There sub $40k 200's out there right now, fwiw. Another reason I couldn't drop more than $30 on a 196. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mwski Posted March 22, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 22, 2013 @swc5150 where are the sub $40K 200's at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted March 22, 2013 Baller Share Posted March 22, 2013 http://correctcraftfan.com/forsale/details.asp?ID=5787&sort=&pagenum=1 Here's one. I also saw some on boatrader and iboats. I've seen at least a half dozen since Dec out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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