Baller GOODESkier Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 Probably posted this before, but in the last 2 years I have gone from 15' OFF to a few balls @38' OFF. In recent weeks, my 35' OFF pass is a given. SO EXCITING! Other than, I get a few balls at 38' OFF and just can't seem to figure out my gate for that rope length. Heck, can't figure much out at that length. Been getting a good look at 3 ball most of the time. Help, post your secrets to get me into 39.5' OFF!!!! 32 and 35 werepretty easy to figure out for me, but this 38' OFF thing seems to be my sticking point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller webbdawg99 Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 Welcome to the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted August 8, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted August 8, 2013 The 2 ball wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 @goodeskier do you have any video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted August 8, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 @MattP I need to do that. Was hoping my rapid advancements would continue through 38'OFF...... 35' OFF started coming easily this season. Had a goal to be deep 38' OFF by the end of the summer.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 I hate you and have no advice for you. I have been banging my head on 35 off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Texas6 Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 15 to 38 in two years!!! Wow!!!! Incredible. You are dead to me:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted August 8, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2013 I guess I hate you too. Get wide grasshopper, that seems to have helped my ski partner immensely. I mean really up on the boat. If your boat driver (looking straight ahead of course) can't see the spray off the front of your ski in his peripheral while in your glide you're not up on the boat enough at 38. Just my observation. May not help you, but it just might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted August 9, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted August 9, 2013 Video would help. ZO boat or PP. That can matter a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted August 9, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted August 9, 2013 @Wish both PP and ZO. I have Star Gazer with ZBox on a 2003 Nautique 196 at home. Then a 2013 Nautique ZO when I ski at the club. I ran 5 @ 35' OFF in 2 out of 3 rounds in a tournament 2 weeks ago behind a Nuatique 200 ZO and a Malibu LXI ZO. I notice little difference between my ZBox and the "Real Thing". I have my boat firmed up hard and as reactive as that ZBox can be. I ski B2 on my boat and C1 on the ZO. Have found those to be my numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted August 9, 2013 Supporting Member Share Posted August 9, 2013 A few things that have helped me: equipment: - shell out crazy cash for a ski. I see you've already done that. gate: - gradual yet strong pullout to get VERY high on the boat. Nope, higher than that. - turn all the way in before loading; entry angle needs to be very steep - don't overload. Angle is much more valuable than anything else, and overloading can end up taking that away. after center line: - don't try to add anything - allow yourself to go upcourse, but do everything possible to resist being drawn narrower turn: - get comfortable with feeling narrow. That's your path now. That advice, some personalized coaching, and about 2000 attempts should get you there :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted August 9, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted August 9, 2013 I just got some really good advice on gate shots a week ago. Unknown to me, I was hitting ZO hard right outa the turn in for the gates. Driver pointed this out. Suggested a much more progressive load and to not load heavy until the ski tip hits the white water. C1 is also my personal setting. I have a tendency to over ski that pass. Since I've lightened up and progressively loaded the line, things have changed for the better. Ball one has been butter. My problem now is long pulling to 2 ball because that's what I'm used to doing to compensate for my used to be crappy fast gate shot to one ball. If I settle down at 2, I end up around 4 most of time and ran it last week. It was hard to adjust to that style of gate as it always felt like there would be no chance for the ski to get outside of one with that "weak" of a gate shot. But I was way wrong. Been the most consistant gates and ones to date. I will add that it has improved my 35s to 90%. But make sure your 35s are technically sound. Just because you run it frequently does not mean you run it early. Video your self at 35 as well and check to see where your at in the course as you progress down the pass. Then post a 35 and 38 here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Zman Posted August 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2013 Ditto, I am also struggling to advance in 38 off, and 35 off, and 32 off .... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skiray Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 I've a question, how do you go from 15 off to 38 in 2 years? Congratulations on getting there. I think I'm going to sell my stuff.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted August 9, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted August 9, 2013 @Wish I got to ski with Dave Miller in Canada, and that gate is exactly what I am doing (or trying to do each time). He is a masterful coach! I am going to work on getting farther up on the boat for the 38' OFF. I haven't felt in front of the boat on the gate pull out yet. Just feel narrow and "loaded" at ball one. As far as 15-38 off in 2 years: 1. Buy a house on a puddle with ski course out front 2. Buy 2003 Ski Nautique (used with 37 hours on it) add stargazer and ZBox 3. Have your wife as addicted to skiing as you are! 4. Both wife and me are teachers....... JUNE/JULY/AUGUST BABY! 5. Do as @Than_Bogan suggested and spend crazy money on a NANO ONE! (Mid-Ride Nano Twist before that, that alone jumped me an ENTIRE rope length) 6. Join a ski club with a world/Canadian record holder and ski with those guys on occassion 7. Run some sort of tournaments (INT so far) 8. Have kids and get them addicted 9. Choose boat gas over food and college funds 10. Ski every day May 1 - Nov 1 (alternate practice and running down the rope) Goal to be into deep 38' OFF by the end of the summer! I'll keep you psted and try to get some video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Brady Posted August 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2013 @GOODESkier Ski at Dr. Jim's lake and I am pretty sure you will continue your progression to 43 off by the end of the year. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted August 9, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted August 9, 2013 Funny thing is, I actually ski with a Dr. Jim in Wilsonville, OR on occassion. He is a Dentist though. And he did pull me through one of my first 35's and into 38, BUT he runs timing magnets and a PPset up. That isn't the same as the GPS stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ozski Posted August 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2013 Certainly possible to make that jump in two years if you ski all the time. Made a similar jump back in the late 90's in two seasons from a few @22 to running a 35 or two - tried the purple once just for the fun of it. Water time and good coaching goes a long way, I was skiing 6 days a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DanE Posted August 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2013 Dr Jim, dentist, waterskier, what are the odds on that...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted August 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2013 @DanE, fortunately the odds of another Dr. Jim, dentist, waterskier and crook are slim, so I am statistically sure that Dr. Jim from OR is a sound person... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted August 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2013 @GOODESkier, I have a profound respect, admiration and envy about your progress in 2 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted August 9, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted August 9, 2013 If you have free skied your whole life, that would be attainable but if you just started skiing and went into 38 that quick, you will soon get it figured out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rawly Posted August 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2013 You must be an expert in some other extreme sport.You seem to be quite modest,but I think you should change your screen name to DAMGOODSKIER.Good job!And good luck with your 38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klundell Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 @goodeskier I love your list. I'd say number 3 has as much to do with my success on the water as anything. Count your lucky stars you have a wife who loves the sport as much as you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted August 9, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted August 9, 2013 What @Klundell said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ RichardDoane Posted August 9, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted August 9, 2013 not to throw a wet blanket on your accomplishments, @goodeskier, but you really need to ski some sanctioned tournaments in order for your scores to have validity, INT scores don't count IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted August 9, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted August 9, 2013 @richarddoane the INT stuff has been so much fun for my children and my wife. Remember #3 on my list........ Happy Wife=Happy Life. I wanted to do the BroHo Tournament this weekend, but we are trying to iron out a new truck purchase, and the pacing is pretty slow on getting that accomplished. My wife did say she would follow me around to some Sanctioned tournaments. Although, I gotta think, if I can run 2 Balls @ 38' OFF behind a 2013 Nautique 200 on Sun Basin Ski Ranch with 70 skiers in attendance, I am betting the sanctioned one won't work my nerves any more than that. 16.95 is 16.95 any day of the week right? My degree is in Trumpet Performance with an Ed Degree. I have learned to settle my nerves for the most part. BUT, I do agree, I need to get rolling in some serious tournaments next year to keep growing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ RichardDoane Posted August 9, 2013 Baller_ Share Posted August 9, 2013 @goodeskier - the wife and kids can ski in the grassroots part of a sanctioned event, we typically try to include a novice group whenever time permits, there's one additional Broho event on Sunday the 18th of August, where the whole family can ski, hopefully you guys can bring the new truck ! Lake Sammamish Ski Club is hosting, they have the lake rented for the entire day, so anyone who needs an extra ride after the tournament can get one, since my boat will be there until dark-thirty. http://sanctions.dataweb.com/default.view?_mode=details&TournAppID=14W047 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted August 9, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 9, 2013 You've now reached the point where gains will come 1/2, 1 and maybe two buoys at a time and not 4,5, and 6 buoys at a time. Also, don't be surprised if you take a step back in buoy count now. You can run 35 with so so body position. It's going to be a lot tougher to run 38 with so so body position. So while you're working on that, it's very possible that the buoy count will go down, only to go back up and surge ahead of where you are now in 6 months or a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted August 9, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted August 9, 2013 @ShaneH that has been my case in the last 2 years. Couplesteps back to make a leap forward. Been running down the rope first set of the day around 2 ball @ 38' OFF today. Then I have been running my gimme pass of 32' OFF 6 in a row off the dock to work on better positioning and reinforcing good habits. Plan to up that to 35' OFF in a week or so and see if I can run 6 35's in a row.......... @richarddoane THAT SOUNDS LIKE FUN! I will have to see what the schedule brings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted August 10, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted August 10, 2013 OK, this morning was magic! I ran 28, 32, 35, and then had a good look at 3 ball @ 38' OFF again. Decided to try practice mode on the speed control and try another 38' OFF. SO, I bumped the speed down to 33.7 MPH and RAN A COMPLETE PASS @ 38' OFF!!!!!! I felt wide through the entire pass. IT WAS AMAZING! Hoping this tactic will get me through the pass at 34.2 MPH before too long! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted August 10, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted August 10, 2013 Almost forgot, couldn't help but try a 39.5 after making that 38' ....... it ended in about a 1/2 a ball! WAY FUN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted August 12, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 12, 2013 Well that sure looks bad, but it's not end course so who know how far off he really is. Should be able to tell how far off he is the sound.....thump, thump, thump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted August 13, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted August 13, 2013 Well, today was a magical day in Central Washington! I got through 4 Ball @ 38' OFF. Had nicest water of the morning. Ran a very clean 35'OFF (in my head anyways.....). Then got a good gate. Masterful ball of spray wipe out between 4 and 5 ball! I do fee l this pass is a possibility! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted August 14, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 14, 2013 @goodeskier if you got around 4 in decent shape it's definitely possible. You will run it. Getting it consistent is a challenge for me...hopefully you can solve the mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller robscholl-OF Posted August 14, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 14, 2013 Post video....of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted August 14, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted August 14, 2013 @6balls I was a little impatient and the wrong thought of "Crap I can run this...." entered my brain and I bit off a big chunk headed across the wakes at 5 ball, only to become a ball of spray! @robscholl-OF my only video option is some gopro mounted on the mirror looking back. I will try and do this, just haven't had the relaxed time to make that happen while skiing. Maybe after this weekend's event. Can't blame my 2 and 4 year olds, but it isn't always the first thing on my mind when I am trying to get them to sit and be "somewhat" a non distraction while I ski. I'll work on it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted August 14, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 14, 2013 @goodeskier why do we do that going into an early 5 ball? I have a tendency to sally the 5 thinking "don't screw it up, get around it and it's over". I now fight that by going into 5 thinking "now ski the 5 ball!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted August 15, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted August 15, 2013 OK, used my gopro and recorded my set today. need to cut out the down time and upload to youtube, then I will post. Ran 3 @ 38' OFF today and almost got around 4........ well could have, but I know it would have resulted in a big ball of spray......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted August 15, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted August 15, 2013 Oh, after viewing....... I decided to buy a Ski-Doc. My next video should be much more useful, since it will be zoomed in on the skier! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted August 15, 2013 Supporting Member Share Posted August 15, 2013 @6balls Don't you mean "Now ski the #@*@%$^ing 5 ball!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted August 15, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 15, 2013 @than_bogan yes! Sometimes it comes up pretty fast though and I can't get out the entire sentence : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JC McCavit Posted August 15, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 15, 2013 @GOODESkier - Is there a private ski lake in Wilsonville, OR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted August 15, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted August 15, 2013 @JCMcCavit a buddy of mine skis a course on the Wilamett (spelling?) river. There are some lakes near there though. I am from Central WA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted August 15, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted August 15, 2013 OK, here are my video links. As always, after watching these, I am thinking similar to what @Than_Bogan said in his video link "If I can run a few balls at 38' off with these technical flaws, I can definitely see how people run 41 off with more solid technique!" BUT I am continually working to get better and better technique. It has come a long ways in the last 2 years. I am well aware of some of the issues, but would LOVE to hear anything that can help me grow. Here are my videos: 28' OFF 34.2 MPH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPLyIBqw4YY 32' OFF 34.2 MPH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sz_BCZoueg 35' OFF 34.2 MPH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvTico1FhLM 38' OFF 34.2 MPH http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnom-i_MmXo By the way, my driver is a great friend! He is 18 years old! I keep telling him, he drives through more short line then I have ever driven! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller alex38 Posted August 16, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 16, 2013 @GOODESkier, hey this is off topic bigtime, but is your 03 SN mechanical throttle? Cuz ive been holding off on ZBox due to my skepticism of it working well with mech throttle on my 02. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted August 16, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted August 16, 2013 @alex38 don't hesitate. It works. You will have to figure out what setting you are (I am B2 on my boat and C1 on a new 200 Nautique with ZO). It is great. Very worth it in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted August 16, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 16, 2013 @Goodeskier there was a great driving thread on here some time ago where some of the best of the ballers and pro tourney driver's chimed in. I found it very helpful for my own driving and it would benefit your buddy there. Weaving path he's got going on for you which I can get away with thru 35 but if s'one shorts me at 38 I'm screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted August 19, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted August 19, 2013 Ran a Tournament PB this weekend of 1.5 Balls @ 38' OFF. Just pulled too long to 2 ball. Darn It! Anyways, nice to have my tournament PB just a 2.5 balls behind my practice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted August 19, 2013 Baller Share Posted August 19, 2013 @GOODESkier -- while many disagree with me, I have found that I need to ski 38 like I ski 32. Relaxed, tall on the ski, and without getting all amped up because it is -38. Honestly the lighter I am on the line and the taller I am on my ski, the easier the pass is. When I get amped up and hit it hard, it hits back. Take a deep breath before the pass, relax, and repeat after me -- "ski it just like 32, ski it just like 32, ski it just like 32." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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