Baller_ The_MS Posted May 10, 2014 Baller_ Share Posted May 10, 2014 How good is the Vapor? One way to tell is that there are none for sale on SIA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Obermeier Posted May 10, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 10, 2014 Finally was able to get out for the first time on mine this morning (damn wind). Only took two sets and it's too early to really say much, however there were two things that immediately stood out for me. 1) Being a long time MPD user/lover the influence from that ski was obvious to me. Stable as standing on a 2x12, just like my trusty MPD. I was almost immediately comfortable on it. 2) I was purposely trying to get on the front of the ski in my offside turns (never been all that good at it) and when I was able to the thing engages just like on onside. Once I've learned to trust that it won't pitch me OTF there's a lot of promise there I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Rpc29 Posted May 10, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 10, 2014 I've only got a couple of sets on my 67". The ski has a ton of potential. Offside turns are great, if only I could get that pesky onside to cooperate consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonskier Posted May 11, 2014 Share Posted May 11, 2014 @Rpc29 I got a Vapor yesterday. Now I have two sets on it, (in terrible windy weather). Same thing, offside great, onside - it doesn't seem to come round. Maybe I just need to reach a bit higher and be patient. I feel it has promise. I currently have Rossi settings and will persevere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted May 12, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 12, 2014 im on a 67 fb 29 3/4 2.475 6.880 75.5 skied 3 set this season just running 28 right now ski feels great. my ski partner has the same ski set at 2.450 6.960 .75 dft fb same he looks good for only a few sets this yr. I will try the longer shallower setting this week water is 62 air 75 plus it has been super winy the last few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rq0013 Posted May 12, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 12, 2014 I have not tried the new longer, shallower stock fin settings yet either. Im still on the older stock settings. Let us know how the ski feels compared to the older, deeper shorter settings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ RichardDoane Posted May 12, 2014 Baller_ Share Posted May 12, 2014 my 66 is set at 6.900, 2.455, .740 wing at 10, front boot at 29.25 and it's really happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller simonz Posted May 12, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 12, 2014 A great ski, turns both sides really well without changing from published numbers. Running Rossi numbers with binding forward to 29.7/8th. I spent a year on a D3 Quest never really getting anywhere on it. This ski I have great hopes for. Ran 13m this weekend in 20mph winds so pretty good in crap weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted May 12, 2014 Author Baller_ Share Posted May 12, 2014 Cant wait to try one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BRY Posted May 12, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 12, 2014 My 68 is set at 6.896, 2.458, 0.735 wing at 9, front boot at 30 9/16. It's way better than I am now, very good both sides, tip down and drives back in with power. Ran my first 38 on it and a few times since (practice). Now just need to pull my head out and put together a good tournament round. This ski will work with OK with wack numbers but is crazy good with the right ones (for you). The "official" numbers seem to vary by source and vary fairly regularly. Don't be afraid to play around with the settings a bit, it won't bite. But as you get closer to the right ones the performance goes way up and it gets even easier to ski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted May 17, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 17, 2014 I changed my settings on my 67 vapor to the new # 6.960 2.450 .75 9 wing holy sheep dip the ski is even more amazing. only 4 sets into the season just running 28 32 34mph if you have a vapor I would say if you don't try the new settings you missing out. Deano Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Obermeier Posted May 17, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 17, 2014 Where you getting these new settings @Deano? Edit: Found them at Performance's web site. I assume those are the updated settings you're referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
501Brandon Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 So this may be a noob question but are all skis set to a certain number from the factory? Like a baseline number? I thought they were some years ago? I haven't touched mine so whatever it was when it left the bench at Radar is what its at. I have only skied 8-10 passes on it and it feels smooth and stable I believe I will be liking it a lot in the next few sets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller cragginshred Posted May 18, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 18, 2014 I got one this year and love it! Easy transition from my strada which is on Ski it again currently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller hammerski Posted May 19, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 19, 2014 Londonskier, I had the same feeling on my inside, went to .760 dft and cleaned that up on my 68. Have fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MrJones Posted May 19, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 19, 2014 501Brandon. Check your fin!!!. Just because it came from the factory doesn't mean it is set up with "factory" numbers. I think the finishing assembly on most skis is done by minimum wage college kids that may be hung over and are likely done at the end of the day. Some skis are on the money... some are all over the place. Find the recommended numbers on the mfg web site and check to see if you are close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Roger Posted May 25, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 25, 2014 You guys who are having onside issues (not coming around) take a look at Rini's new settings chart. It's a big move for the bindings. When I got my 67, his front binding number was 29.5, now it's 30.25... 63.5, 6.875, 2.475, .745 wing at 8, boot at 29.00 65, 6.880, 2.475, .745 wing at 9, boot at 29.25 66, 9.954, 2.445, .745 wing at 9, boot at 29.25 67, 6.960, 2.450, .750 wing at 9, boot at 30.25 68, 6.960, 2.450, .750 wing at 9, boot at 30.75 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MrJones Posted May 26, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 26, 2014 If Whitney is using his numbers they must be good. She was killing 39 and I think just lost focus at 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I5boi Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 @501Brandon my 2013 senate was not setup with the factory settings like I was told. YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller wtrskior Posted May 26, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 26, 2014 @MrJones matt always sets up Whitney's skis. Doubt those are the exact numbers she is using though. I was also at 30.25 +/- or as far forward as the sequence plate would go on the 67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Obermeier Posted June 1, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 1, 2014 Been out now 3 times on my 68" Vapor (damn wind...), each time with different "factory" settings. Seems to be a moving target yet... Most recent move was moving the bindings forward on the ski per @Roger's listed numbers above. Moved bindings from 30 1/4 forward one hole to about 30 1/2" or so, moving a full half inch just seemed too much of a move to take all at once. Left the fin at the numbers listed above. Don't think I'll need to go any farther forward, the off sides (2 - 4 for me) are basically automatic now with pretty much no input from me at all - just stand up straight and reach - and boom. Get on the front now too much, which I'm not particularly good at anyway, and the ski stalls. But even in a stall I'm yet to be pitched OTF which is always a huge positive. Still getting a feel for it but I've put the MPD away in the closet for good now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted June 2, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2014 Wow. That's a big move on the bindings. I rode two different 67 Vapors this weekend with Rossi's numbers and front binding at 29 7/8. Felt pretty damn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted June 2, 2014 Administrators Share Posted June 2, 2014 @ShaneH please tell me you did not move the fin. That thing was perfect Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted June 2, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2014 Only with a hammer. Don't worry, the duct tape hides the marks. Dawg had moved the fin long before I got my mitts on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bigtex2011 Posted June 2, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2014 I helped @shaneh epoxy the crap out of that thing. it looks pretty good considering what it was put thru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Texas6 Posted June 2, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2014 And the bondo really hides handle dings well - nicely done guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted June 2, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2014 I thought it was odd when @ShaneH put the vapor in bed w/ him after his first set!!! I guess @Horton was right----it will never be the same.. Great skiing this weekend Shane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted June 2, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2014 @Horton better be nice, or I'll pull a "Smart" and send him a picture of his ski in it's new home. :) Or even better, I'll send him pics of his ski with every attractive woman I know all summer long. Kind of like the Christmas Elf type thing. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Texas6 Posted June 2, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2014 Actually more pics of cute ladies and Vapors would help this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted June 2, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 2, 2014 @ShaneH One word. "Pterydactyl". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted June 5, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 5, 2014 I tried the bindings at the numbers from Rini via @Roger above. I already had my fin there. The turns were good before, they became automatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rq0013 Posted June 5, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 5, 2014 @BlueSki are you on the new updated numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MZito Posted June 5, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 5, 2014 Anyone know the 69.5 numbers? All I seem to see is up to 68 on the net. thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted June 5, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 5, 2014 Fin numbers should be same length/depth, just bump it fwd a touch. .003-.005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted June 5, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 5, 2014 @skidawg In your opinion would the Vapor work with whatever style it is that I have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted June 5, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 5, 2014 @rq0013, @skidawg is correct. I used the fin settings from Rini on perfski.com, which have the exact same measurements from @Roger, but different binding placement. I tried the binding placement @Roger listed as new Rini numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MZito Posted June 6, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 6, 2014 Thanks Rossi sent me numbers to try once I get the ski. If anyone needs them Ill post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonskier Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 My son is 5'11", weighs about 180, PB 4 @ 36 mph, but he will nail it soon. What size Vapor do you guys recommend? 66 or 67 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted June 6, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 6, 2014 I would say 67" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tjm Posted June 6, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 6, 2014 66 settings, anyone?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Texas6 Posted June 6, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 6, 2014 @mzito, please post them if you don't mind. I've heard he's made some adjustments in recent weeks that seem a bit more optimized. Having ski'd his settings for 5years now, I'd like to use them as a baseline for my switch from Strada to Vapor. Thanks!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadW Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 @londonskier I'm 5'9" 175lb 34mph skier getting into 35off. I use a 66 vapor. I was on a 67 Strada. I prefer the 66. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MZito Posted June 6, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 6, 2014 @skidawg @Texas6 This is for the 69.5 Vapor per Rossi. He said to start with the 1st set of numbers and then if needed try the 2nd. I will not know how this works until next week. I will get my new stick delivered Sat or Monday. (1st set of numbers he gave) 31.25" 2.450 6.960 0.765 9 (2nd set of numbers) 30 7/8" 2.48 6.87 0.77 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted June 6, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 6, 2014 He definately knows best, let us know which set you like! Rossi is the ski set up GURU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MZito Posted June 6, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 6, 2014 Will do!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JAS Posted June 6, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 6, 2014 @mzito an interesting spread, did he say why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted June 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 7, 2014 @Roger, I noticed for the both the 65 and 66 you listed Rini's numbers as 29.25. Whereas all the others split by 1/2 inch. Was that a type on the 66? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Texas6 Posted June 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 7, 2014 First set on the 67 Vapor will be this morning. Running bindings @29 15/16ths - will report back on honeymoon thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Texas6 Posted June 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 7, 2014 Wow. Seriously, wow! I have never transitioned from one ski to another so effortlessly and immediately felt comfortable. Really comfortable. Whenever I've bought skis in the past, I would normally spend a set at my opener and just settle in on it. It felt so good I just decided to run up the line right away. The angle generated out of my offside was immediately noticed as was the stability in general. Turns were effortless. This ski and I have big plans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted June 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 7, 2014 Tried the 67 with binding at 30.25 this evening. Just too heavy on the backside of the buoy. Skied much more like the Prophecy. 29 7/8 or so seems to be the ticket. 30.25 might be a good setup for a skier who needs help with getting the ski pointed crosscourse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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