countymountie Posted May 14, 2014 Share Posted May 14, 2014 Why in the world am I forced to drill out extra holes on a Radar RTP to mount to a Radar ski? As you can see in the first pic, I had to drill extra holes in the back to accommodate Radar's narrow hole pattern. In the pic on the right, I ran into an issue with the back holes on my new Reflex. I have the binder set at 30" from the tail and I could barely squeeze the washers in next to the Reflex hardware . If my next ski requires a measurement closer than that I won't be able to fit in washer. Any suggestions? The back holes appear to be spaced about 1/8 apart, however the front and middle are slotted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skialex Posted May 14, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 14, 2014 I had the same issue with a Radar RTP, you are right about that but drilling it is very easy. as far as the washer issue, now that you use composite plates you do not need to use the aluminum countersank washers to protect your plates. You can use flat stainless steel washers, they fit next to Reflex hardware, they look better and they don't corrode over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Waternut Posted May 14, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 14, 2014 Didn't have any issues with my RTP. I did have to grind a flat spot on the countersunk washers for the Reflex. They haven't collapsed and give me plenty of clearance. In fairness to Radar, I would've had to do that on my D3 Quest as well. My Reflex plate is slotted in the back...not sure why yours only has holes there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted May 14, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 14, 2014 What kind of Radar ski is that? Both of mine (a P6 and Senate) have the wider hole pattern that fits the ARTPs that are on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted May 14, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 14, 2014 Quite common to have clearance issues with the release blocks on the back of a reflex, depending on what size foot you have and where the distance to tail sits. I routinely will pull the blocks and bevel the outside edge to give clearlance to the rear screws. Not at all a radar issue. Now the rtp, I got nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countymountie Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share Posted May 14, 2014 @Waternut I noticed that some retailers have the carbon fiber Reflex plate is slotted in the back and appears that it has additional holes so you can move the rear block units forward in addition to the toe loop. The newer g-10 has the holes, no slots. @skialex thanks with the good info, buying new ss washers will be a lot cheaper than buying a carbon fiber plate, I'll make it work. @oldjeep it's an older Strada 55 that I'll be using for the next few weeks. I plan on demoing a Vapor and a Nano XT ASAP. I now see that Radar has stated putting 4 holes in the back of their current skis. It sure would have been nice if they make their binders compatible with all of their skis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted May 14, 2014 Baller_ Share Posted May 14, 2014 Those Strada 55s were not a production ski until it was renamed. Radar may have made it with a requested pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countymountie Posted May 14, 2014 Author Share Posted May 14, 2014 @MS No sir. When Radar started putting out skis, the back holes were closer together than HO's and Obriens. I still have an '09 Senate C that has the same hole pattern as my 55. It was never an issue before because I was using a Sequence Plate. I thinks Radar saw the error of their ways and now offers skis that can accommodate a wider variety of rear binders. However; with regards to my ordeal, Radar should be putting out a RTP that does not have to be modified to fit their own product. You can't defend that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted May 14, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 14, 2014 Sure you can defend it. At some point, it's not necessarily cost effective for a company to be backwards compatible to OLD product lines. Fact of the matter is, they're in business to sell new skis, not to make it easy for you to keep skiing on 4-5 year old ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eddie_roberts_jr Posted May 14, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 14, 2014 We do have an RTP that is mounted to an aluminum plate and it will bolt right on to that limited run, pre-production all carbon, PVC core Senate you have that Horton named Strada 55. You can get it in the adjustable or fixed and sized rubber version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Dirt Posted May 14, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 14, 2014 It is frustrating to move bindings from ski to ski. I don't think this is a Radar problem. That ski is a prototype. I have had to slot binding holes, make custom plates, buy custom G10 plates from Erb, etc... to make my bindings fit from ski to ski (a bunch of different brands). I think this is the norm now. I couldn't ski without owning a Dremel and a bunch of shorter screws so they don't punch through the bottom on some thin skis. I have had nothing but outstanding service and quality from Radar over many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricski39 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 The RTP that you have pictured on the left is Radar's Feather Frame plate. These are only compatible with Radar skis that are 2011 or newer. If you buy the Radar RTP/Rear boot that is on the aluminum frame it will fit every manufacturers hole pattern. Whoever sold you the RTP should have mentioned the Feather Frames compatibility issues to keep you from drilling holes in your ski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skialex Posted May 15, 2014 Baller Share Posted May 15, 2014 Please if you have the option always drill the plate never the ski! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countymountie Posted May 15, 2014 Author Share Posted May 15, 2014 @ricski39 yes, if I would have known it would be an issue I would have bought the aluminum frame. I didn't drill the ski, I just widened a couple of holes on the RTP like @Dirt mentioned and then reinforced with a small plate that I took off my Sequence plate. I'll ride on this setup for a couple of weeks until I get back in ski shape and then demo new skis. I'll probably get a couple more "Dislikes" for doing that. Oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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