Quick Set Two

[rodltg2]

I am more than likely to put an offer on this property soon as the lease on our house is up soon and I already sold my other two homes.

 

I like the property as it is , Nice house plenty of room and a good location. But a ski lake option would be a bonus.

I walked the property yesterday , along with some Google earth measuring and it looks like I could fit a lake similar to quickset Canton Mississippi. I could fit a 1250 foot length by 180 feet wide. At the ends there's enough room for two doglegs up to 280 feet wide. However both doglegs would be going in the same direction vs opposite which would be ideal. I actually like the idea of having a smaller lake so it would reduce costs and maintenance and less likely to be detected on the radar. I'm not a hard-core Skier or competitive and I would like to use the lake recreationally outside of just slalom alone.

 

So my questions are:

 

Well Capacity : propert has two wells one for the house and one for irrigation I have not found out the output on them yet waiting to get that information back. What would be the minimum needed to fill this size of the lake and keep it at a good levels during the summer months?

 

Course : i'm thinking 4 buoy . With the dog leg on one end putting the skier out to the right side I think it would be impossible to get lined up properly in time before the course like they do a quick set.

 

Any other thoughts / advice. I know it's a crazy undertaking and it's gonna cost a lot more than I think. I'm hoping to get a buddy of mine is been involved in three lake projects to come out and walk the property with me as well to make sure this is all suitable Even if I don't end up putting a lake on the property I think I still really would like it so it's not a deal breaker.

[Skoot1123]

Do you have a link for google or something as a visual?

[Steven_Haines]

Are you able to get the permits? In California, that could be an undertaking in itself! I'm just guessing on that one though. I hope you can get it done! I guess your lake builder buddy would know all about the permit process.

[rodltg2]

Would not do the permit thing

[fu_man]

My two cents....that is a lot of money to build a short-course 4-ball double-dog-leg lake that doesn't really do what you want it to do. I wouldn't guess that a slightly smaller lake would be any less work than a regular one.

[ForrestGump]

Having skied QuickSet, I can tell you I don't think even with only a 4 buoy it'll be comfortable to ski a same side dogleg lake of that length.

[Than_Bogan]

Where there's a will there's a way. Check out Johns Pond in Wantage NJ. Insane site but skis GREAT. Only place I ever ran -38.

[rodltg2]

There is a will, hoping to find a way. I have no problem with the 4 buoy , I like the idea. Here is a lake that I have no idea what it is used for. Its about what I am thinking I could do, but a bit wider.

 

38°53'16.93" N 121°25'16.64" W

[Horton]

QuickSet Rules

[ForrestGump]

The 4 buoy isn't the issue. It's that you'll end up with two vastly different pullouts. And pullouts at Quickset are wicked already, yet they're the same.

[A_B]

The old GL Ski school up in Michigan had one end dog leg where the boat turned left into the course and it took a while to get used to it, but it was skiable. Before pre gates too. They held a few pro events there.

[Than_Bogan]

Seriously, John's Pond is your model. Same-side doglegs and so stupid-short that there are two overlapping courses. Seems like it should be impossible to ever get a good score there, but it's one of the best sites in the northeast.

[MattP]

@Edbrazil‌ I think you had a hand in the John's pond site. Could you lend some advice to @rodltg2‌

[ALPJr]

Once you get the dog leg entry dialed in you're good. My tourney pb was at John's Pond good enough for 3rd at the 96 NJ states. My first tourney was at Johns - the 89 NJstates - fell at 1 ball. The Iron Man tourney's there were great fun! One round of slalom at John's, followed by a 20ish mile bike ride to Twin Lakes, and then round two. I would like to see the Iron Man tourney return.

[crashman]

How long is john's pond? Our lake has a wrong way dogleg but the main body is about 1500 ft long. I definitely have home field advantage when new skiers come out.

[rodltg2]

Upon further investigation, I think I have problem or it may be a good thing. If you look at the picture you can see crevices where water drains thru the property from neighboring properties.

 

Can I pipe the streams into the pond and at the south end put in a pipe with a valve to release water ? My concerns as I assume this is all run off from farms and ranches, that the water is not clean. The current owner an neighbor told my that in the wet months , water is draining thru the property constantly.

 

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[Skoot1123]

You will want to get permits and get your PRE information done FIRST! Water is a tricky and complex thing when it comes to the Army Corps of Engineers. You can't just "stop" water without any type of permit, it will need to be examined and reviewed by them and most likely the California EPA. If you can hire an engineering firm who has done permits before (ie in the last 2 years) you can save yourself a bunch of heartache/headaches. Before you buy that property be sure you can actually put a "pond" on it. If it was me I'd invite the ACOE and Calif EPA as well as the permit folks to the site and tell them what you want to do and ask their input. Might be a pain at first, but in the long run you will earn some goodwill since you took the time to run it by them first. If you have patience that is a good thing ........!!!

[MISkier]

@AB, I have video on YouTube of ESPN Hot Summer nights covering the pro tournament at GL in Michigan (was actually called Lake Maureen and is near Charlotte/Lansing). That is also the place I took my first slalom lessons. The site was later leased by a club. About 4 years ago or so, the owners stopped leasing it. I believe it is currently unused - what a shame. I thought it skied very well.

[garyh20ski]

@skoot1123 makes some very important points. In constructing our lake we had a 3' x 300' depression along a fence line created by cattle walking. Army Corps required us to buy into a mitigation bank to offset the loss from constructing the lake. Army corps saw no value in the 12+ acre wetland we were creating. Army corps as well as the CA State Water Resource Control Board take loss of waters of the United States very seriously. The fines they levy for violations are absolutely mind blowing. I would suggest contacting a biologist to at a minimum do a wetlands determination. It is expensive to play by the rules but is nothing compared to the potential costs of fines levied and reconstruction to the original site condition.

[RichardDoane]

smart guy joins a club and skis at an existing site, let someone else have all the headaches you're about to create for yourself

[rodltg2]

@richarddoane‌ I think your right ! Can't really beat the club situation I have now. I still like the property though , I may still put an offer on it. Forego the lake idea.

[Skoot1123]

@garyh20ski - we did the mitigation thing too ~400 trees that we planted last fall. When it matures it'll be a REALLY nice walking trail...... instead of farm ground which it was before the mitigation.

@richarddoane - true, but if there is the threat of a club disbanding or becoming non-existant you gotta do what ya gotta do.

@rodltg2 - would you be daming up some water or would you be digging the lake on level ground? That will make a big difference with the ACOE as well. (Don't get too discouraged)

[crashman]

I like that the lake where I ski has both a well and a drain- keeps the water level nice and constant and keeps some shallow spots we have from becoming a problem during the dry months.

[rodltg2]

Just got back information from the county. They said no problem digging a "pond" no permit needed. But they did have records that the drainage is considered a legal stream. So as long as I do not dam or alter its course , the pond is okay. Well, the stream goes pretty much down the middle, so I am out of luck on this one. Gonna pass on this as I don't know what I would do with 10 acres of nothing.

[Skoot1123]

@rodltg2 - bummer that the stream goes pretty much through the center of that property. Hope something else comes up for you!!

Glad you were able to talk to the county and get that figured out ahead of time though!!

[jimbrake]

@rodltg2 - no matter what property you end up with, you don't want to get sideways with the Army Corp of Engineers.

[A_B]

Why couldn't you have a drain off at some level to protect your banks from high water that continues the natural flow? Once the water reaches your fill point, any excess that came in would just flow out the other end. The pond that I ski at in Haskins Ohio pretty much did exactly that. He pumped water into the lake from a nearby stream, and then has a runoff that dumps back into the stream that meanders around in the country.