crazy scores in the Carolinas last weekend

[Horton]

Rogers 2 @ 43

Joel Howay 5 @‌ 41

 

congratulations to both guys

[Edbrazil]

If approved, the 2 @ 43 (9.75m) would be a new record in Men4. Assuming Jeff Rodgers skied

at 34, and not in Open at 36. Raising the current record, co-held by Todd Ristorcelli

and Greg Badal, of 5 @ 41.

[Horton]

@Edbrazil‌ pretty darn sure Jeff was at 55k

[Horton]

 

[Bill22]

@Horton‌ I thought you said you don't think in metric (55K)?

[Bill22]

I am just giving you a hard time because I forget all the time what mph 55K is.

[Horton]

Inconsistency noted

[Razorskier1]

I want boat video!!!!

[rayn]

Notice anything consistent in the great scores in Carolina. Can you say Chris Eller behind the wheel.

[rockdog]

Also we know that JR and Joel are very familiar and comfortable at Trophy.

[klindy]

@Edbrazil‌ the current record is 1-1/4@43 held by Jeff. I recall submitting if for MM but also thought we included M4.

[The_MS]

Watching the GOAT run 41 multiple times and and only getting 1@43 makes you wonder. Save it for the next ski design? Leave it for Jeff so he can help market the ski? What gives?

[Drago]

RFF

[9400]

The slack hit that was required for the full 2 at 43 made my back hurt for 2 days just from watching it.

[disland]

Jeff showing you can ski short line with Whiley's

[skierjp]

Not sure but Jeff Gilbert may have been the driver

[9400]

Chris Eller pulled most of if not all the pending records.

[LeonL]

Based on @9400's comment, should the score be 2? I obviously wasn't there's but where did the "slack hit" occur? Rule 10.12.C

[Horton]

@LeonL‌ if he skied away then yes incorrect answer

[9400]

Funny you mention that, Jeff's was taken out near the buoy so it was not an issue as far as the rule goes but we had a very in depth discussion about another call that was closer to the boat guide line and this rule was debated a good bit of Sunday before Jeff's ever came in to play. Based on our discussion it seems that a number of recent half buoy scores perhaps should have been scored whole buoys that skiers did not ski away from and perhaps some whole buoy scores that skiers did ski away from (but took the slack hit behind the boat) should have been given a half as opposed to the whole buoy score they received. I read this rule over and over on Sunday and we had a lengthy discussion about it, I probably still need to read it a few more times.

[Wish]

Does he ever "S" turn for the full 1? I've never seen him do that. All or nothing from what I've seen. With a ton of slack it sounds like he was going for 3 ball.

[9400]

The skiing away is not part of the discussion but confuses the rule.

[Horton]

@9400‌ I could check the rule book but Naaaaa I will email Richelle and ask

[Drago]

"1 point when the skier has crossed the line of the gate buoys before passing the level of the next buoy with a tight line under the power of the boat."

To me: the skier can have all the slack in the world, but if it is a tight line when he (in this case) crosses the left buoy line with his front foot: full 2 score .

Means he can't show the boat the handle.

If the rule is intended that there can never be slack, it needs to be re-written.

If judges think it means their can never be slack, it need to be re-read

 

[Drago]

(Auto correct did "their", sheesh)

[Horton]

Correction to my above post

If you have slack before the first set of boat guides and then cross that line after the slack comes out you get a full buoy.

 

If you hold on to slack inside the boat guides you get a half even if you magically ski away.

6 is different because there isn't enough time to do an S turn.

[Horton]

Richelle told me that a skier who body slides naked across the centerline, stands up and pulls trunks back up will get whole ball

[9400]

The interesting part of the rule is that as long as the line is tight when the skier reaches the boat guide line then the skier gets a whole buoy even if the skier explodes at the centerline of the boat path (and does not ski away).We have been interpreting as if the skier is in control at the boat guide line. That is no longer part of the rule. We had several controversial calls and protest regarding this rule. Many of us learned something this weekend.

 

[9400]

The funny part is Jeff was a part of this discussion and knew everyone's view before he ever skied. After his 2 ball he sort of jokingly challenged anyone to call it a half.

[Horton]

There will be video review before the record is approved. Right? It will get scrutiny and will be approved or not.

[9400]

Yes, but Jeff knowing the rule before hand and from what I saw, the score is 2, all judges scored 2. At this point it's up to the boat path video. I can say that the 41 had to be tough to drive based on what I saw. Most people on site were part of the rule discussion including all the judges prior to the event starting on Sunday.

[Drago]

"Centerline" hasn't been in the conversation for quite a while. Richelle is correct (of course) on the naked through centerline rules exception, though .

[Horton]

@Drago‌ yea yea yea she corrected me on centerline too. Boat guide line is correct.

 

[9400]

Straight from the IWWF rule book, AWSA rule book is the same wording.

 

14.07: Scoring Buoys

A buoy not missed is scored as follows, up to the point of the first miss:

a) 1/4 point when the skier crosses the line C-D AND the X-Y line in a skiing position (12.03).

(See sketch).

b) 1/2 point when the skier has re-crossed line C-D in skiing position (12.03) before the level of

the next buoy or end gate.

c) 1 point when the skier has crossed the line of the gate buoys (on a tight line under power of the

boat) before passing the level of the next buoy (or the end gate in the case of the final buoy)

without falling (12.02).

The intent of the tight line is to ensure the safety of the skier. This means that if the skier can only

cross the line of the buoys with a slack line then he will not get the full point so there is no reason to

try that. The end gate case is different because of the spacing and thus if the skier can cross the gate

line before the end gate buoy and ski away he will be awarded the full buoy. This specifically

means that the skier is permitted to have slack going through the exit gates. If the skier skis away

then they may continue. If the skier does not ski away, the turn ends and the skier scores 6 provided

they crossed the line of the boat buoys before the end gate with or without a slack line. The skier

may exit the gate with slack line.

A gate is not scored in any manner.

 

One thing I noticed this morning that I did not think about and we didn't discuss was that it appears that you can show the boat judge the handle behind the boat, at the end gate and receive the whole buoy.

[Than_Bogan]

@Ali That completely confirms your call of 6-no a few weeks ago at Dubes. The skier clearly got back before the exit gate. Those who called 5.5 were simply wrong.

[The_MS]

We all know the GOAT can cruise to 3 ball.

[6balls]

What do you mean by "show the handle"?

 

A few years ago I screamed around 4 ball at 38, blew threw the wake on slack, pointed at the boat and threw the handle. 3.5 was the score which I later found out was appropriate b/c I was not under tow of the boat. My mistake, I would have held on otherwise and taken the blow...now I know...for my health maybe best I didn't know.

 

I've also gone thru the end gates with slack and held on and was awarded the 6...I guess that was appropriate, too. Closest I've ever been to having slack take me off my ski (boat judge was really scared).

[Horton]

I do not know why everyone does not do the darn Zig Zag

[Edbrazil]

 

I still think that there should be a 3/4 buoy score. If we can have 1/4, then why not 3/4?

Which would be when someone gets back into the wakes with a slack line, and then

releases it. That used to be scored as a full buoy back a few years.

 

Actually, On The Tour, this was a Rule Exception for a tournament or two, where you could

in fact earn a 3/4.

[9400]

@6balls, "show the handle" is what you used to see before the latest couple of rule changes. The skier rounds a turn buoy with a bunch of slack and realizes they don't want to take the hit or can't continue, so they ski behind the boat with slack and the handle in their hand but allow the boat to take the handle without offering resistance. This used to be awarded a full buoy at any buoy but now (as I read the rule) can only be awarded at the end gate.

[Razorskier1]

@Horton -- some of us don't have the delicate balance and skill of a trick skier, thus, we fall off the ski when we zig zag.

[MISkier]

I bet a lot a people don't zig zag because they still think there is a chance to make that next ball. I know I'm not disciplined (read "smart") enough to know it's over.