Baller bbirlew Posted January 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2015 @Than_Bogan, Every summer growing up in the 80's we would spend 3 weeks camping at the lake - slalom, tricks, kneeboarding, barefoot - and mille borne every night! Our cards looked quite different from those though... I'd have never recognized it from those. Good memories! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Edbrazil Posted January 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2015 @wish: Our Club MC about 1975 or 1976 was around $7,000. We would take a bank loan out on it, pay the interest over a ski season of some 6 months, and sell the boat. Great deal, as the loan just cost us a few hundred. Promo boat, but we only had to go to a couple events off-site with it, as we'd have 4 or so tournaments at our site in NH. Skied from ice-out mid-April to into maybe Octobrrr. So: factor of 10+ in 40 years. That would be about 6% a year average, if I have my math right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller greghayes Posted January 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2015 I hate to hijack this interesting thread - but it is so esoteric and poignant a reference that I can't resist. @bbirlew - you are right on that Mille Bourne is a great summer memory and still a great game from that era. I bought a couple of vintage decks on ebay to share with my family and it is a favorite already. @than_bogan, I also don't recognize those cards as part of the original game. Whether they are or not, great reference and prompt for this community! Roullez. On the actual topic of this thread - promo boats are the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Rivvy Posted January 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2015 I'm anxious to see if the Minneapolis boat show even has a ski boat in the lineup this year? I refer to our boat show as the pontoon show. Last year they did have a new prostar and a txi but that was about it. Other than a few wake and fishing boats, all pontoons. I'll report out what I see. I'm still in the market for a well broken in 200 if anybody has a line on one. Pm me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Edbrazil Posted January 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2015 Looking at my post above, and correcting for inflation, $7000 back in 1975 would be about $31,000 today. See the Inflation Calculator: http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ Today's new ski boats cost twice that and more. Of course, current boats have plenty of improvements and conveniences. Hmm...Horton or other's project: find a '75 MC that still runs and is in OK shape, and review it. Probably an impossibility or nearly so, unless you find a pack rat oldtime skier. Although, CC brings out their 1963(?) model at each Masters. A friend has a '63 Nautique that I've skied behind and driven. Currently getting some fixit done; should be ready for Summer 2015 in NH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted January 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2015 I really don't think the boat mfg care about 3 event boat sales. They'd just as soon quit them altogether and make their money on the big wake sport boats. I know the promo guys get a decent discount, but at what point do the promo guys get priced out of the market? Make no mistake, a lot of them will. When that happens there goes the decent deals the rest of us get on year old promos and there goes the sport. This has been said before, so I'm no original thinker on this, but the price of boats may just be the death of our sport. Some ponder on the decrease in AWSA members, but just try to convince a potential new skier that he needs a 60k+ boat to practice with and out he goes. Oh I know many of you will he doesn't need a new boat, buts it's all relative. Tell him he can get into the sport with a 10 year old boat for 30k and you still scare him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted January 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2015 @xrated Looks like they have a local(ish) dealer with stock now. Be interesting to see if they show up to the Boat show. First good set of pictures I've seen of the 2015 gts20. Looks like a nice basic boat doesn't say it has ZO. http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/bod/4845455127.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jhughes Posted January 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2015 @swc5150 It was for a brand new (ordered) '15 OB 200 with supposed '14 pricing. I took a picture of it on my phone so I have the numbers handy: Boat Price 78,865 (SA trailer + Cover as the only options as well as a couple surcharges are in this price such as a waterways preservation fund, etc.) End of season discount (if I ordered before end of Dec) -7,897.88 Subtotal: 70,967.12 Sales Tax: 5,198 Dealer Freight & Prep: 2,695 Registration & Doc Fees: 595 Final Price: 79,455.12 There it is in black and white! Demz' the facts! 80K out the door like I said. We'll be enjoying our old boats for a few more years, needless to say. 1yr old promo boats seemed to be around 55K and were loaded up with options so that's really the only way to go for all but the very wealthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted January 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2015 Wow, that's a lot of scratch! I was quoted $59k+tax on a '15 200CB base, with cover and Phoenix single axle trailer. To think, my brother ordered out his 2012 200 open bow Team, with cover, heater, jump seat, tandem trailer, etc, and it was $58k out the door! Nice little 38% inflation in 2 years! Seriously, what is going on in this industry?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted January 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2015 @jhughes I should add, the MSRP on his boat was $75,900+tax, so the retails aren't that far apart. It's the Your dealer is apparently gouging you, or our dealer is awesome? Pm sent by the way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller disland Posted January 13, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2015 My 2009 SN196 gets better by the minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted January 14, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 14, 2015 When the time comes, I will take my 1997 BB Masters Green SN and re-power..thank you very much. I think that will save me 50-60K on the low average. That should snag a new ski too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ozski Posted January 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2015 @Wish Maybe the repower / refurb business will take off based on the current price trend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted January 14, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 14, 2015 I believe @Jody_Seal can count on new and more frequent repowers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skinut Posted January 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2015 I just looked at the option costs for the MC. In order to use the boat at my elevation I'd have to add the 6.2. That's a 12,000 up grade. That just kicked the MC MSRP over 100k. Um thanks but no thanks, I'll keep my SN 200 6.0 that cost me about half of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skinut Posted January 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2015 Looking at the TXI I noticed that their markup from invoice to msrp is about 35% with base price around $42,000. MC markup is around 20% with a base price of $57,000. I would think that that invoice cost of the two boats would be much closer. There certainly isn't $25,000 of increased value in the MC vs the Boo. I wonder why seedealcost doesn't have CC listed. I'd guess their markup from invoice is around 35%-40%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted January 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2015 @skinut - Nautique is on there. You just have to look for Nautique, not correct craft http://www.seedealercost.com/products/manufacturer-models/index/id/322/productCategorySlug/boats I find it interesting that the Sport 200 is only about 2K more than the OB 200. There is a lot more "stuff" in a V-drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdubs Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Dealers are now used to people not blinking at surf boats sales over 100k After closing many of those kind of deals they think customers should be thrilled for getting a boat for far less $$. We the ski boats customers must seem like a pain in the @$$ to a busy boat sales guy making far more money on the big boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted January 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2015 Jughe's, surely your not going to stroke a check on a boat price listed at a boat show. Too get that price where you need to be it would probably take multiple visits to the dealer and some serious hagling. I'm stunned at different people I know that don't understand the fine art of bartering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippin_2 Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 @Than_Bogan card is from the Monopoly DEAL game. Which came out after Hasbro purchased Parker Bros. Mille Bornes is also owned by Hasbro. The things you learn on wiki. Just amazing eh? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e3/Monopoly_Deal.jpg/220px-Monopoly_Deal.jpg maybe I should add a catch phrase: "Just Say No, Go CarbonPro" I'm with @wish, repower when the time comes. Ya'll can see by my profile that I own a '97 MB Sports. GREAT boat! 17 years and It has the original carpet and upholstery, because it does not need to be replaced. The original PCM GT40, with too many hours (for most) but still produces excellent times per the aftermarket PP, because it too does not need to be replaced. Soft wakes, strong pull, starts everytime... I got 16K tied up in this thing (woah, hold on there) 30, 40, 50...90K? why? ZO? "meh" SHOWIN' IT OFF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller RAWSki Posted January 14, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2015 Love MB's. Great boats their quality is top notch, was sorry to see them go away from DD but it made sense for the company, I was a big fan of the 200Plus and hear that Mike B. still has the molds and will build one to order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted January 15, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 15, 2015 @skinut I wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in some of the numbers quoted on seedealcost. I know dealer cost on CC and MC and have access to it on Malibu. They weren't completely accurate when I compared last year. Especially when it came to base cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted January 15, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 15, 2015 Shane, is pricing still affected by qty of boats taken? I have a friend who would know, and said the Nautique cost info is pretty close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted January 15, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 15, 2015 Absolutely. All the manufacturer's offer incentives and escalators. But those are typically done as line items off the bottom line or as a seperate payment. Honestly, I don't remember what I looked up on the CC. It's pricing didn't stand out as off from what I recall. But I know for sure they were off on the malibu and the MC. Those stood out as thousands off. My believe at the time was that they don't take into account things that are standard and then list them as optional also. And I was comparing the invoice price for the base boat, with no incentives or escalators figured in, against what seedealercost showed as the base boat. So it should have been an accurate comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skiray Posted January 16, 2015 Share Posted January 16, 2015 Took the family to the Austin, TX show. It was a great time. I'm in Atlanta, GA for business so I went to the show there. MC Prostar same options about $5k less. This time I spent some time in the boat since I had plenty of time. The boat is incredible. I may be in trouble... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted January 16, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 16, 2015 @skiray comes to my town and doesn't look me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted January 16, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted January 16, 2015 I have heard that @skiray is a wise man.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted January 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 24, 2015 Went to the Minneapolis boat show last night, plenty to look at especially the wood boats. Ski boat wise, there was a TXI and a Prostar. No Nautique or Centurion ski boats and no Gekko of any kind. I was really surprised at Gekko, I mean the guys who run the company live in MN and the boats are built here. My wife's comment on the TXI was - why did they go back to the old fashioned carpeting ;) Not sure why anyone is doing non snap out carpet, but it looked odd to me too in a new boat. Turned out that a guy I used to ski race with works with one of 2 Centurion dealers that was there and when I asked him why no Carbon Pro, he said they don't ever buy one for stock because they were afraid they wouldn't sell it - which was odd because apparently they have had a lot of people ask about them for the last 2 years. http://oldjeep.com/images/2015BoatShow/WP_20150123_001.jpg http://oldjeep.com/images/2015BoatShow/WP_20150123_002.jpg http://oldjeep.com/images/2015BoatShow/WP_20150123_003.jpg http://oldjeep.com/images/2015BoatShow/WP_20150123_009.jpg http://oldjeep.com/images/2015BoatShow/WP_20150123_010.jpg http://oldjeep.com/images/2015BoatShow/WP_20150123_011.jpg http://oldjeep.com/images/2015BoatShow/WP_20150123_012.jpg http://oldjeep.com/images/2015BoatShow/WP_20150123_013.jpg Also had a beer tasting event going on. Small glass to keep and 7 different beers for $15 was a lot better deal than $9 coronas. Liked everything but the Lift Bridge Farm Girl, but I've never met a saison beer that I liked. http://oldjeep.com/images/2015BoatShow/WP_20150124_001.jpg Also ordered up another inflatable SUP at the show - Tower. Never heard of them before but the price was right and it was the most ridged inflatable I've ever seen. I was skeptical when the little 100lb girl selling them was standing on it to show how ridged it was but a full sized guy hopped up there with her and it stayed flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mlange Posted January 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 24, 2015 Milwaukee show last night. A single TXi was the only lake tractor in the whole place. Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted January 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 24, 2015 @skibrain definitely a lot of docks, pontoons and fishing boats. But also quite a number of paddle boards and little niche products. The paddle board tank is pretty cool if you need a winter fix. They only run the beer tasting on Friday evening, so that is really the best time to go. Not much in the way of equipment there (skis, boards) - which I also find surprising since Midwest Mastercraft runs a couple of websites that sell equipment. They had banners up with the URL's but not much in the way of things to touch and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyone Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 My boat is for sale and I will put it up against any mastercraft or other tourney boat,Priced to sell.2002 American skier pro,@13.999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Rivvy Posted January 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2015 Old jeep covered most of what there was to see in Minneapolis show. Here are some pics of the prostar on display plus a bon u s pic o f the evinrude 300 hp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Dacon62 Posted January 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2015 Vancouver, BC show only had a one DD a 2015 TXi. Not a lot of change from our 2013 except the move to Commander power and they got rid of the one spoke (ugly) steering wheel and went with the same wheel the Prostar has. Pylon is moved forward approx. 1.5" and the motor box about 3" on the 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Rivvy Posted January 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2015 I also agree with his comments about the txi. I think a better color combo would have shown nicer. Disappointed there wasn't a sn 200 on the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted January 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2015 @Dacon62 - YUP, I hated that single spoke wheel on my VTX and switched to the newer style wheel that some 2013/14/15 use. Unfortunately when they started using that stupid single spoke, the switched to a splined tilt unit so I had to also swap out the tilt for a keyed one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted January 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2015 @Rivvy - I think that Nautique will have to find a dealer other than Marine Max before that happens. Hard to have any thoughts of stocking a DD ski boat when you are selling everything from bayliners to 150K wake boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Dacon62 Posted January 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2015 @oldjeep...funny...had issues with that too. Wanted to swap out the single spoke wheel for the Gussi model but didn't want to pay the $580 that the Malibu dealer wanted for it. So picked one up for $280 from Livorsi Marine. Then found out the cheaper wheel had a 3 way keyed hub instead of the splined hub I needed (didn't know as I had not pulled the wheel off first to check...thought they were all the same). Machined the old splined hub to cold press into the keyed hub and ordered a Malibu Center cap...$270 later. So in the end cost was about the same but what a hassle. Love the new wheel though, it looks bitchin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bulldog Posted January 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2015 Beautiful prostar - ugly price... "Do Better..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted January 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2015 For me it was just the livorsi wheel and 100 for a new tilt. Sold the splined tilt for 60 or so and just used the generic chrome center that came with the wheel. The wheel from Malibu would have been keyed too, Livorsi just private labels the same Gucci wheel that Malibu/Mastercraft and others are using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller xrated Posted January 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2015 @oldjeep I agree. Wife commented on the Bu carpet right away. Kids enjoyed the free hats. Did get a pair of hybrid shorts and the wife got some new gloves from Midwest. Took a bottle of syrup for @MS but he was not working this year. Was disappointing not to see a Carbon Pro, really wanted to drool. I asked one guy and his response was basically they only have 2 that travel around the country and because they are all custom ordered they don't bring any to the show? Didn't ask the home town dealer (Willeys MArine) why they didn't have one, but I will be stopping in and asking if they will have a demo at their demo day this year. Was some nice eye candy walking around promoting something...not sure what and no pics when wife and kids are in tow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller oldjeep Posted January 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2015 @XRATED Wileys is the one I talked to. I don't understand how they think they are going to sell a brand new boat that nobody outside a competition has ever seen or touched if they don't have one at every boat show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted January 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2015 Well said @oldjeep. I'd think maybe the factory would send around a CP to the large boat shows, just to get it in front of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted January 26, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2015 The Seattle Boat Show had one OB SN200. Pacific Nautique always brings a DD, so good for them. No other direct drives. Only one Centurion, total, and it was a big wake boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kstateskier Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Sat in the new Malibu's, Correct Craft's and MC's last night at the KC Show. Malibu, as usual has the plushest - nicest interiors. The new Prostar interiors sucked, the seats were hard as a rock. Boat looked nice through. My future wife loved the CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller xrated Posted January 27, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 27, 2015 Yeah @oldjeep they weren't even sure if they were gonna have one at their demo day last year. And I would have had a couple car loads of buds wanting to check it out. Forgot I did spend some time looking at that Falls Flyer. Mainly the Mile Maker gas can sitting in the front. I have a couple of those sitting around waiting to be redone. Really wanted a closer look at how they did the OEM writting on it. I assumed sticker but couldn't lean over the rope enough to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted January 27, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 27, 2015 @kstateskier You think the MC seats are hard in the showroom, wait until you drive one over someone else's wake. Kidney bruising ride, which is not uncommon to any PS I suppose. Definitely more suited for a private site than public water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted January 27, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 27, 2015 Seattle Boat Show....... only brand to represent with a slalom tug was NAUTIQUE. No one else had a boat there. Reminded me how small a segment waterskiing is in reality. All those boats under one roof, and only 2 direct drive slalom boats to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted January 27, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 27, 2015 I only saw one DD slalom boat in Seattle, an OB SN200. Did I miss one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GOODESkier Posted January 27, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 27, 2015 @jjackkrash it was actually mounted on a lift right above the one you saw. Closed bow about 20 feet in the air above the open bow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted January 27, 2015 Baller Share Posted January 27, 2015 Lol, shows how observant I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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