mrpreuss Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 Heel lift does allow further off side counter rotation if thats what you want. to achieve similar position as your on side this may even be necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller adkh2oskier Posted February 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted February 24, 2015 About 20 yrs ago I went from double high wraps to RTP, LFF. Mostly because deep water starts were much easier on my lower back. It took a little getting used to the RTP but it was well worth the switch. I do find that I lift my heel slightly mostly on my off side turn, seems to help center my weight better. Only had a couple bobbles with getting my foot slid in place when skiing at sites with very short set ups, and only once had my rear foot come out of the RTp when skiing but that was a serious screw up at the buoy and I tried to make a hero turn to save the pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted February 24, 2015 Author Administrators Share Posted February 24, 2015 @mrpreuss yea but do you really need extra counter rotation? Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MarkM Posted February 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted February 24, 2015 I lift my heel when I take my ski off :smile: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted February 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted February 24, 2015 I don't think I do, but I'm not sure? On my old 9100 with dual hard shell, I have a spring on the rear binding. I was told a while back it was adjust heel lift. Was that BS or is it true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricski39 Posted February 24, 2015 Share Posted February 24, 2015 *Useless Comment Alert* When I was younger and skied with an RTP I noticed that I lifted my back heel in consistently in my turns. After I moved to double high wraps this obviously stopped. I’ve skied with some guys that have used things to raise the heel of their rear binding. (This can obviously be dangerous when employing good ole fashioned redneck engineering) Just one more thing that I can tinker with on my ski setup I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MarkM Posted February 24, 2015 Baller Share Posted February 24, 2015 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Texas6 Posted February 25, 2015 Baller Share Posted February 25, 2015 @Horton; still curious why you are asking this question? Is it because your back foot is flat all the time and a mobile back foot is intriguing, or are you about to hit us all with a revolitionary tip or future product we all need? Very curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted February 25, 2015 Author Administrators Share Posted February 25, 2015 @Texas6 Well this was a poorly thought out thread but it has turned out to be interesting anyway. I think almost everyone moves around a little and some lift a bit before the ball. I also think a some skiers think it is ok to lift under load and I think generally those skies are missguided. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller cruznski Posted February 25, 2015 Baller Share Posted February 25, 2015 I voted Yes on this and at the end of the season in 2012 found an old HO RTP in a box of stuff and mounted it on my ski and skiied around- given a little more time on the water I would go there. There's a good slow motion video of Nate at Shortline Lake and he distinctly lifts his rear heel, not to mention many of the gals. And then the added bonus for us Men6 + class of folks is ease of getting out out of the water! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Onside135 Posted February 25, 2015 Baller Share Posted February 25, 2015 I'd been following this thread and found it to be a very interesting topic/discussion. Though now I'm just wondering if I'm missing some things, as I saw a couple posts have disappeared. @Horton…what gives? Edit…Disregard…I got this confused with the "Subjectivity of Technique…" thread. Sorry. Good discussion in both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted February 25, 2015 Author Administrators Share Posted February 25, 2015 @Onside135 I have not deleted anything. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Onside135 Posted February 25, 2015 Baller Share Posted February 25, 2015 Yeah, sorry about that. I tried to edit my post. I thought I had remembered reading something in this thread, but it turned out to actually be from another. My bad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DefectiveDave Posted February 25, 2015 Baller Share Posted February 25, 2015 Maybe it's the difference between 41 and 43. However, from a historical perspective it's definitely not the difference between 39 and 41. Still, bio-mechanically it makes sense in theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Web Posted March 15, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 15, 2015 I'll admit it, I'm a heel lifter. I keep both heels planted until second wakes and edge change, then lift up a bit. Helps me keep my knees flexing on edge change and then move forward at the ball. I run double boots, cinch the rear toe down well and leave the rear cuff loose. Gives me a solid toe hold and enough freedom on the heel, but also the security of the lateral support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moggie Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I use an insert in my rear boot to lift my rear heel by a few millimetres. When I moved to double Vapor bindings I couldn’t get the bend in my ankle to move my back knee forward. A few mill in the heel made a big difference. I also tend to stand on my toes a little during the gate-glide. As soon as I’m under load both feet become firmly planted. No idea what I do at the buoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted March 17, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 17, 2015 I don't think about what my feet are doing while I ski I just stand on the ski. Being a RTP guy I am sure my back foot moves around a little but I can't see wanting it to come up under load. I could see it coming up a little bit into the ball if you are getting forward on the ski but I don't believe that mine does. If I have to think about this and whether or not I breathe when I ski I might not ever run another pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookee Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 After more than 20 years skiing with a RTP, I'm now trying to get used to double boots. Not being able to lift my heel is very distracting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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