Update an old boat and make it good enough to be a daily training boat

[Horton]

@303Skier who is this Jody Seal? Does he know what he is doing?

[303Skier]

@Horton He's a guy in Florida that does a lot of these PCM conversions and knows his stuff. If there is a guy that has the knowledge and experience, this is the man.

[Horton]

Never heard of him

[Than_Bogan]

MAN it's fun to mess with the new guys...

[303Skier]

@Horton now you do :smile:

[Horton]

@303Skier totally messing wight you. @Jody_Seal is a LONG time Baller. I talked to him this morning

[303Skier]

I was like...I'm pretty sure I heard about this guy through this Forum? Got me! Haha.

[Horton]

And yes Jody is a trusted advisor on boat matters.

[303Skier]

@Horton Right on, I'm glad I wasn't just throwing names out there B)

[yardsale]

Jody is in FLA, I'm in MN and there is a reason i spoke with only him about doing my 97 nautique.....I think she'd be a dandy with a 6 L.

 

 

[east tx skier]

@303Skier The 94 Bud Boat spray mod was described to me by "Bret" on the MC Forum. He got a close look at it. He described it to me as if someone took a "rat tail" file to the aft portion of the spray pocket on each side and glassed over it. In essence, it sounds like the "hooked" hulls on the 197, but done only to the spray pocket.

 

I have not personally seen one. But I'd swear I can see it in this picture if I squint really hard.

 

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LDca1mlB4oHMxykEE0JgRiOgKlqKvYIoUduOhR37yMB7=w620-h460-no

[Horton]

@MarcusBrown comment?

[ALPJr]

Yes I heard about that too back in the mid 90's at Spencer's. Jud was selling a few MC's around that time.

[gregy]

@Horton I was responding more to the technology which ozski was referring to. My practice PB are the same on either but ZO can overwhelm me if overload. I'm going to keep working on my boat see if I can get it better. The 3 SG PP boats I ski on regularly all come into the gates fast and require the driver to be very careful with rpms when coming into the course.

[DooSPX]

@east tx skier beat me to it. @MattP you know Dan? Man I would love to see this boat in person. I know your in Orlando. Is he in FL too?

 

[MattP]

@DooSPX I do not know him personally but have followed his boats progress on The MasterCraft Project FB group. He has helped out with some tuning on my '84 MC. I'm actually in the ATL area ( I wish Orlando, it is a second home to me) Dan is in Wisconsin. I hope I see it in person one day and ski her. I'll find some good pics of it with the new motor shwoing and post.

[DooSPX]

@MattP, I didn't realize you were on the FB page as well. Also, I have no idea why I thought you were in FL. Sorry.

[MattP]

@DooSPX Its all good. I'm not too active there. My brother deals with the mechanical aspect and usually does most of the inquiry to what I call the "MC Brain Trust"

[DooSPX]

Also, you should check out TeamTalk on the MC site if you haven't yet @MattP. Would love to see a pic of your S&S. I love the S&S boats.

[MattP]

Oh lord I can't get involved in another forum..... I venture over there sometimes, but need to do it more. I will need to dig up some pics and post around.

 

I'm just looking forward to what @Horton has in store for this project.

[Ilivetoski]

So many people are talking about how great ZO is... If it was not used in tournaments and simply another option (like stargazer) no way anyone would use it over PP. I was talking to one of the best drivers in the southern region one day about this and he said we have the same problems with ZO as we did with PP. people getting behind the wheel at tournaments who don't know how to work the system. My boat and the 99 nautique I ski behind give me 16.08 most of the time, just have everything in correct. If ZO didn't win the lawsuit or whatever you want to call it our sport would look a lot different

[DanE]

Both my practice and tourney pb is behind ZO.

Way better and more consistent pull over PP imho.

[foxriverat]

This just popped up http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?endless=summer&topic=Search&category=Comp_Boat&postid=33486

[303Skier]

Does anyone have pictures of an older ski boat with re-power and ZO?

[MattP]

Here are some pics of Dan's boat I mentioned earlier.

[Horton]

Holy Crap that Ilmor lump has to weigh a lot more than the original. I bet that boat is fun to drive but I wonder about the wakes. Custom dog house also?

[DooSPX]

@Horton, according to Dan, the boat is a pure pleasure to drive, and he said the wakes are great. No discernible difference. It probably is a little heaver, the Ilmor and the 351W are both iron block, iron heads. But, you do have to factor in electronics, etc. If I were a betting man, I would say it would be minimal. Oh, and yes, had to do some doghouse work.

[Horton]

makes sense

[E_T]

@Horton I think he bought the 2014 dog house

[Horton]

that is cheating (or smart)

[DooSPX]

 

[MattP]

@Horton smart. You can also shim up your old one or build a part like CC does to put the dog house up higher.

[DooSPX]

Now, if you go with the Ilmor 6.2, you will have an aluminum block and heads. Save some decent weight in the center of the boat. hint hint....

[Horton]

@DooSPX Indmar 5.7 is the plan

[Jody_Seal]

Look's like a cool boat (Dan's) however also looks like a bit more involved then adding a new model engine box to fit the conversion. looks like a shallower strut was installed and a new shaft log glassed in to accommodate the Hurth reduction transmission and 11/8" drive shaft.

 

If anyone one is interested in a SS MC we have one here for sale that would meet the build ideology. Will sell less engine for $1200.00 boat does need a stringer job!!

[Horton]

@Jody_Seal how painful is the stringer job

[E_T]

@Horton very painful

[Jody_Seal]

Depends on who is doing it. Depends on materials used. there is a guy in Tenn that did one last year for one of my customers and installed stringers and a floor with carpet for around $2500 ????

Shoot materials alone was over a grand! the guy did a good job (not great) but better then adequate. If the boat was going to get a modern engine then some thought would need to go into this boat and the stringers would probably need to be set a bit wider and the floor an inch or two higher in the boat. Me I would not touch it for less then $8K to install stringers and a floor for a modern repower. Then there is the strut and shaft to deal with..

[303Skier]

@bigtallweed why would you disagree with me? Lol.

[303Skier]

@Jody_Seal Can you re-power a 94' MC 190 without all that extra modification to shaft and strut?

[bigtallweed]

@303Skier I did not mean to. When you scroll down with a touch screen sometimes it will activate one of those icons. I had to go back to even see where it happened. I changed it back, sorry an accident.

[Jody_Seal]

@303Skier

"Can you re-power a 94' MC 190 without all that extra modification to shaft and strut?"

Yes no problem however a bob tail engine would have to be obtained and the original transmission retained.

I like utilizing the PCM 5.7 Excalibur as they made it stupid proof for repower.

[303Skier]

@Jody_Seal What would be required beyond the bob tail PCM 5.7?

[pdub]

Great idea but maybe something older would be more interesting to me...

[skibumm]

@Horton I can send my 94 Centurion Falcon for the winter and you can re-power with ZO and send it back to me for extensive testing. That should keep you well under your budget and get me a heart transplant after 2600 hours of use.

[Horton]

@skibumm great except the part where I send it back

[skibumm]

@Horton my Grand Pappy always said "you never get what you don't ask for" That and "boy you got a lotta quit in you"

 

[gregy]

@ Horton skied behind my buddy's 94 PS205 Thursday. I notice when the boat is weighted to one side or the other the spray get much worse.

[DooSPX]

@gregy, older boats were picky about side to side weight. My 91, while not as bad as some, still could have an affect if it was bad enough. I even removed my battery from beside the fuel tank, behind the rear seat to under the observers seat. It was a great move even for the quick accessibility.

[gregy]

@doospx My buddy has a small water sac he puts in the back corner of the boat when there's no observer. We had an observer the other day but he was a big dude. One thing I don't like about the that year 205 is that it doesn't have a middle observer set like the newer boats have or like my 99 RLX that has the step-over to the bow and a full observers set.