spitzleyj Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 When coming into my offside turn my ski often skips out when coming around the front of me. Any idea what I am doing wrong/what I can do to fix this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted July 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2015 Video. When I read this I read it as the whole ski coming out of the water like I've seen Nate do at 39 in videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aupatking Posted July 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2015 @spitzleyj , Equipment: start moving your boots forward. Technique: get more weight on your front foot coming into the turn. Is likely both, but get the boot to a good place where the ski turns without the chatter/bouncing and then really work on getting on the front of the ski coming into the turn. The technique tip is pure conjecture, so go get a lesson or post video. Tons of guys on here, highly qualified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 30, 2015 Administrators Share Posted July 30, 2015 Get us some video and add fin depth Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aupatking Posted July 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2015 http://www.schnitzskis.com/bindingtuning.html aquaskier.com/articles/ski%20tuning%20hints.pdf Not sure who the author of the pdf is, but the info about the ski bouncing, skipping on offside seems consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted July 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2015 @aupatking if we picture ski "skipping" as the same thing, the last thing he should do is move bindings forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 30, 2015 Administrators Share Posted July 30, 2015 Ski skipping out is lack of grip. Assuming we correctly understand what is meant by @spitzleyj. Bindings forward actually takes grip from the tail of the ski. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mwetskier Posted July 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2015 @Horton -' bindings forward actually takes grip grommets the tail of the ski. ' huh? ' grip grommets ' ? percolate and scotch again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinite5ths Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Oh boy...now we've gone from "grip grommets" to percolated scotch. It's getting worse! AUTOCORRECT is the only winner here. I supposed it's only natural to replace "percocet" with "percolate"... 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aupatking Posted July 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2015 He said, "coming into the buoy". I took that to mean the ski is chattering/bouncing, as it comes into the turn. Yes, if it's skipping, that's a totally different issue, and my advice was 100% wrong. But, skipping as it's loosing grip should be an after the ball, or at least far later in the turn than "entering the turn". Skipping sounds like Blowing out the tail. Odd that it would happen on the off side, before the onside. Correct? Like I said, conjecture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 30, 2015 Administrators Share Posted July 30, 2015 Skip out or blow out (same thing to me) almost always happen at off side Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller liquid d Posted July 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2015 If boots are close to stock, drop the fin until it's too much, then back off a hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jayski Posted July 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2015 Since were all guessing without video how about stop blocking through the finish of the turn/dropping your inside shoulder, stop leaving your hip behind you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Texas6 Posted July 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2015 Same exact thing here, either a skip or a blow-out on off-side. Never happens in on side. I honestly think at least for me that both are the result of getting too far forward on the ski coming into the buoy, the skipping usually occurs when I separate early coming into the off-side...early separation for me is a bi-product of being late, blow-outs just happen when I'm late and hot into the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Waternut Posted July 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2015 I read that as bouncing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 30, 2015 Administrators Share Posted July 30, 2015 Ok if porpoising add length to fin Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted July 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2015 Porpoising (feels like rollers when there aren't any) is very different from skipping (fin/tail of the ski breaking free of the water some). I've always heard that porpoising is due a tip high attitude of the ski during the turn, sometimes due to too much weight back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 30, 2015 Administrators Share Posted July 30, 2015 @ToddL not likely Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted July 30, 2015 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2015 @Horton - k. Thanks. So - Check Binding Location, skipping out-> maybe move bidnings back if already forward of stock, then... Porpoising -> add Fin Length Skipping -> add Fin Depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 30, 2015 Administrators Share Posted July 30, 2015 Roughly yes Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deke Posted August 1, 2015 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2015 I think it is funny that the original poster has not chimed in since the original post. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 1, 2015 Administrators Share Posted August 1, 2015 @Deke he now knows how insane we are Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Texas6 Posted August 1, 2015 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2015 He has 43 new tips to try and help solve the problem and hoping to have it solved by Christmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller nleuth Posted August 1, 2015 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2015 @spitzleyj I was just dealing with this problem on a new ski while I was getting it dialed in. My problem ended up being that I had too much ski in the water at my hardest pass. So I took some tipped out until it stop spitting the tail and I had a fluid turn. Now my offside turn is great! As for technique, just make sure you're skiing back to the handle with your head not dipping in word and up straight in a good stacked position. I hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopowpow Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Hey, my husband is having problems with his Senate skipping/porpoising) off the wake, into his onside turn. He added some tip to the fin (per Schnitz's hints) and it is worse. Now it's doing it on both sides. He can't get his edge changed to make the next turn. He also doesn't think the ski has much speed across the course. A friend who also got the same ski loves it! Great speed, great turns. They have completely different ski styles. My husband rides neutral to forward (snow skier), early edge change. Our friend rides back, with a later edge change. 69" Senate Approach boots 195-200 lbs Fin at factory setting except for recent dropping of tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gregy Posted August 1, 2015 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2015 @mopowpow That seems like a lot ski for someone 195 to 200. The Senate is already 0.2" wider than a Vapor. What level does he sking at. I'm on 67" Vapor and only about 10lbs lighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopowpow Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 @gregy, he has not skied much the last 3 years and is starting at 15 off and 30 mph. He usually prefers a longer ski for his weight, he is 6' 5". He felt his 68" D3 was just a little small for the way he is skiing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller SkiJay Posted August 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2015 I'm not so sure about "adding" fin length to stop porpoising. I've tested this and found the opposite. The first half of this video is with fin length too long. The second run is with fin length shortened by only .007". The results were repeatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gregy Posted August 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2015 @mopowpow If you can get some video I'd suggest starting a new thread. I think height does allow for a larger ski but a lot of people would disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 2, 2015 Administrators Share Posted August 2, 2015 @skijay Depending on what we are talking about.... if at exit of the ball the tip of the ski wonders up and down on the way to the first wake this is often not enough drag at the back of the ski. Add some length to increase drag and grip. It is really not a super common problem but I have seen it. It think it was more common with early Goodes. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MAD11 Posted August 3, 2015 Baller Share Posted August 3, 2015 Man there is a lot of speculation going on here. @spitzleyj How about we start with what ski your on and what are your current settings? What speed and line length you getting too when this problems occurs? @deke Think your right. Maybe this original post was just a setup to watch the diagnosis run wild. One thing is clear. We tried everything above except for sanding bevels. Sand paper anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 3, 2015 Administrators Share Posted August 3, 2015 File Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinite5ths Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Router - it's faster 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mwetskier Posted August 4, 2015 Baller Share Posted August 4, 2015 run an eighth inch bevel on the top edge of the ski on the off side turning edge from the middle of the back binding all the way to the tail. i guarantee it wont slip out again. wont get you wide enough to reach the ball either but whats life without a little compromise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DefectiveDave Posted August 4, 2015 Baller Share Posted August 4, 2015 Had/have a similar problem on both an A3 and Vapor with a variety of settings. Without video it's hard to tell, but for me it happens when I get on the back of the ski and drop my shoulder into the turn. The ski doesn't take much of an edge, turn is sluggish, and any rollers get amplified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Texas6 Posted August 4, 2015 Baller Share Posted August 4, 2015 Seriously, I was having the same issue on offside on my 67 Vapor. Porpoising when in decent shape coming into the buoy, as though the front of the ski is chattering a bit. I added some length as recommended above and the problem went away. Funny, I've gone through four iterations of fin adjustment, and I've now got it right - and it's just a fraction away from my original setup when Instarted this witch-hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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