Reflex SuperShell 2.0

[Horton]

[lcgordon]

Complete lie unless im not seeing something you cant buy it right now.

[thrix]

@lcgordon well, that's not possible even if someone could see something because it is not available to buy yet. Let's wait. I tried the supershell 1.0 and returned it after a couple of hard crashes during the same set.

[lcgordon]

Yeah it says in the video available at reflex site but its not. It should say available at site on this date.

[MattP]

@lcgordon It's Launching at Nationals with the rest of the 2017 Products.

[lcgordon]

I see ya now

 

[Horton]

@lcgordon I can't tell you how frustrated it makes me when readers first response is to go negative

[Than_Bogan]

I get the frustration, but this particular "hype video" is a little unreasonable. It shows absolutely nothing at all.

[lcgordon]

@Horton It was more of a joke but still did not realize they were not waiting to launch it. It clearly states at the end of the add available on the website so I got excited to check it out and nothing is there. They could have said launching at nationals or something. Not everybody is up on everything current. I was just excited to see the new boot design.

[Horton]

@lcgordon understood

[Horton]

@Than_Bogan it is called marketing

[ISP6ball]

It made people mad, so it must be poor marketing, ha.

[MattP]

@ISP6ball did it make people talk about it? - Therefore the marketing worked.

[Gloersen]

@Than_Bogan - have to disagree with you just a tad. It shows a cool beating heart gif, ECG rhythm strips, the 4th of which with such ST segment elevation might be indicative of an impending MI, the 5th strip perhaps V-fib.

 

Not to mention the speedometer exceeding 200+ mph.

 

Who knows, maybe this new binding system is a heart-attack on the water waiting to happen; any adrenaline rush is good. :)

[BraceMaker]

@rico - I completely agree.

 

Particularly I like the fact that at-least in appearance Reflex is manufacturing a shell for the product instead of coapting 1990's rollerblade boots.

 

The one feature it seems like none of the manufacturers have dialed in yet is a cant adjustment either built into the plate, the boot, or even just the cuff.

 

Would seem like the easiest way to pull this off is to have a cuff which the pivot bolt sits into a toothed track (like mikrojust plate) you could then move the angle joint axis up/down on the medial/lateral side of the boot and generate a canted cuff.

 

We see the adaptation of the base of the shell to attempt to lock it to the plate - why not allow the cuff to be aligned neutrally on the boot?

[gregy]

Someone get some pics at nationals

[ozski]

Connelly pulled a rabbit out of the hat with the #iskiconnelly promotion. A good example of clever marketing and leverage of social media.. If I had to hand over the folding stuff for this video... well. Things that make you go hmmmmm

[OldboyII]

Not nice when company which pretends to be serious uses pokemon-style marketing.

I decided not to open their page for 1 month minimum.

[jayski]

Those that are "mad" or "dislike" it are still talking about it...good marketing outcome like or dislike it

[parkerc2112]

@Gloersen maybe a STEMI

[Deanoski]

Go to face book search (skiing in motion) and Jon Travers talks about the new edge boot and binding plate

[Ilivetoski]

If people are talking negatively about your company as a result of an attempt to market a new product.... That is not good marketing.

[Gloersen]

@parkerc2112 - indubitably.

[thrix]

I think we are overreacting here. Let's wait and see if the product is good or not. If it is we will for sure buy it, if not then not. Who cares about the marketing campaign? These are small waterski equipment companies focused on their product, it is not as if they had an army of marketeers behind.

At least that's the way I see it. Boycotting the site because we don't agree with a marketing campaign? Come on!

[OldboyII]

Their target group is not a cat that would chase artificial mouse.

That kind of message in my mailbox happens only once - welcome to spam filter.

[gregy]

I really don't care, just want a heel cup that last more than 2 sets. They can market anyway they want as far as I care as long as the result are there.

[BraceMaker]

Only thing they did wrong is lack of actual hook. Companies do this all the time only they have just enough sneak peek to make you speculate about what it will be. A detail photo of something weird or what not.

 

Mostly here it's a click on click off.

 

 

[Wish]

Guess it is one little teaser after the next. Drip drip drip. I like the new toe cup vs bar.

[thrix]

I think there is still a bar behind the cup.

[Wish]

I see that now...strange. What would be the purpose of the cap then?

[Horton]

So you guys hate the videos but you can hardly wait to see the product. Seems like success to me

[Wish]

drip drip drip does work. If it was just the one...meh

[ToddL]

It is only successful if the product is as significant as the hype. Otherwise, it can have the reverse effect.

[MattP]

Super Shell 2.0

Introducing the Reflex SuperShell 2.0 The 2017 SuperShell is designed for increased performance on the water and around the buoys. The new hardshell water ski binding has even a more secure feeling on the ski and new additions of a binding draining system, new alloy buckles, and easier integration with the popular R-style rear binding and more! The shell is slightly larger for more comfort on the feet.

http://reflexwaterskiusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Reflex-SuperShell-2.0-G10.jpg

[Deanoski]

Interesting only one toe loop and a fender

[lcgordon]

Wonder if how different it skis?

[parkerc2112]

Sure hope the plastic toe piece is stronger than the heel cup.

[Fehlindra]

The vid says reinforced heelcup! i got the new one as replacement for my supershell but the front edges of the heelcup doesn't even touch my binding neither does the build up under the shell do so its no extra support of the shell (there is no chance the new heelcup gonna break cos im not in contact with it) it so much "lagg" on my offside so i must solve this by mounting an angle iron with adjuster knobs to push/hold the inside sidewalls of the shell to achieve an laggfree offside its lagg on the onside as well but not so much, i hope they changed this on the new one @Wish not sure but maybe the purpose of the cap is to replace things like this on the bars

 

[BraceMaker]

Why tape up that bar? Does the shell rock side to side there under the second horseshoe?

[gregy]

Wonder if they did anything for release where the treads were cutting into the holes in the release frame.

[Fehlindra]

@BraceMaker yes its lagg there too but solved that with rehab tejp but the lagg further back is still remain gonna fix that with an angle iron thingy, haven't seen the new heelcup 2.0 on the inside but cant imagine they have changed so much that it gonna solve the lagg or the weak inside of the shell, some people maybe like it but i dont, i bought it to get more edge control.

 

[BraceMaker]

Did the scarpa boot fix it?

[ISP6ball]

@OB1 apparently it's part of their marketing strategy

[thrix]

@Wish who knows. We will have to take a close look to figure out the details of the system. The other thing that is not obvious is in what way the R-Style rear is better integrated as they claim.

[BraceMaker]

Heel cup looks notched in rear. Check strap seems to go to the side of the shell.

 

Perhaps allows heel ledge to be taller? Release looks unchanged.

[Chef23]

I would need to see it but I am not sure what the value in the plastic toe cap is if the bar is still what holds the boot in place.

[ALPJr]

Toe cap to soften impact on body parts ?

[Gloersen]

Just speculating but the toe cap likely extends aft and under the toe of the shell (not seen in pic) to create more "connection" with the plate. This may enhance tip pressure as well as "edge control".

 

It's an easier fix than reshaping the shells which are not initially designed for slalom ski use.

[Wish]

@Gloersen that is the best explanation so far..good thinkn.

[mmosley899]

@OB1 I think for the most part Radar and HO were both sold out of their boots for this year. I was trying to get boots from both to test on the MOB release system.