Should a zero notice sanction be allowed provided all rules are being followed?

[disland]

So is there any reason I shouldn't be able to log onto USAWS and get a zero notice sanction. (I am assuming for now that I am following all the current rules for a class C).

 

There should be no late fee

 

[Jody_Seal]

Being the one no vote so far thought I would expand. The problem is that we are a volunteer organization even though USAWS has "paid" employees the sanctioning programs and rules involved with sanctioning are dictated and facilitated by the AWSA . Currently the sanctioning program is rather messed up as it will only co-operate with few operating system software, windows 10 and explorer no bueno! any apple no Bueno. then there is the AWSA 30 day bureaucracy that is currently in place.

Get all that fixed then the zero notice may be put in place.

And let me say good luck on that !!

[disland]

@Jody_Seal All the back end computations associated with the tournament can be done after the fact. We can ski now and paperwork can follow.

 

 

[ToddL]

@Jody_Seal - your answer addresses the question "Can I". The poll is "Should I". Should to me is a question of "do you think this is something to pursue?"

[ToddL]

@Jody_Seal - your answer addresses the question "Can I". The poll is "Should I". Should to me is a question of "do you think this is something to pursue?"

[Chef23]

@Jody_Seal those are all reasons why it can't be done today not reasons why it shouldn't be done if impediments are removed.

[Chef23]

@Jody_Seal those are all reasons why it can't be done today not reasons why it shouldn't be done if impediments are removed.

[disland]

It can be done. Its artificial reasons why it cant. I believe this goes back to the days when they had to mail out sanction packets.

[disland]

It can be done. Its artificial reasons why it cant. I believe this goes back to the days when they had to mail out sanction packets.

[Jody_Seal]

Hey I wish you all the success in changing the situation. and no the policy of a 30 day lead for sanction came just a few years ago.

The sanctioning program is written and maintained by volunteer's like the scoring program.

Like I said I voted no on the poll because I know what you all are going up against to change the policy.

Again I wish you all luck and will stand behind you!

Really!!

[Jody_Seal]

Hey I wish you all the success in changing the situation. and no the policy of a 30 day lead for sanction came just a few years ago.

The sanctioning program is written and maintained by volunteer's like the scoring program.

Like I said I voted no on the poll because I know what you all are going up against to change the policy.

Again I wish you all luck and will stand behind you!

Really!!

[disland]

@Jody_Seal Thanks for your support. As a matter of public record I have decided its easy to do polls and complain but harder to do something. So I have decided to make an effort to actually get this changed by submitting a official request. I will keep you all posted.

[disland]

@Jody_Seal Thanks for your support. As a matter of public record I have decided its easy to do polls and complain but harder to do something. So I have decided to make an effort to actually get this changed by submitting a official request. I will keep you all posted.

[jdarwin]

@disland - good luck from someone who has traveled down that road of landmines (turn and burn)...

[jdarwin]

@disland - good luck from someone who has traveled down that road of landmines (turn and burn)...

[Horton]

I will sanction probably three events this summer. Because I didn't do it before January 1st I'm going to pay late fee. The reality of my business is I don't have the dates and sites set by January 1st. To me the late fee is just fundraising by the Association. Unless you believe they really think I should be penalized for not being in a regional guide.

[Horton]

I will sanction probably three events this summer. Because I didn't do it before January 1st I'm going to pay late fee. The reality of my business is I don't have the dates and sites set by January 1st. To me the late fee is just fundraising by the Association. Unless you believe they really think I should be penalized for not being in a regional guide.

[LLUSA]

@Horton and who makes you pay a late fee, not AWSA??

[LLUSA]

@Horton and who makes you pay a late fee, not AWSA??

[MattP]

@Horton that only applies to the west and Mid-West regions. The regions set the late fee amounts and dates. USAWS charges $100 if sanctioned less than 7 days out. Sanction Fees

[MattP]

@Horton that only applies to the west and Mid-West regions. The regions set the late fee amounts and dates. USAWS charges $100 if sanctioned less than 7 days out. Sanction Fees

[disland]

That western region policy is nuts

[disland]

That western region policy is nuts

[disland]

regional guides are as relevant as phone books

[disland]

regional guides are as relevant as phone books

[Horton]

What @mattP and @disland said

[Horton]

What @mattP and @disland said

[santangelo]

By zero day notice, I'm assuming submitting the sanction the same day as the tournament.

 

So if you submit a tournament sanction on Sunday, would you expect USAWS to sanction it? I expect they would have some due diligence to perform to validate the sanction such as validation of officials. If you had a tournament and charged skiers money for it, and USAWS did not sanction it because you have invalid officials, would that be fair to the skiers to not get a rankings list score for the tournament? I realize that there are some software systems in place to validate some of this, but eye balls should be involved to some degree.

 

Also, if you can't plan a tournament at least a few days in advance, how would they have any confidence you're planning a legit event? They are the ones providing the coverage for the event, so they need to be give some deference.

 

I think a more reasonable question would be what is acceptable in terms of advance notice. Ideally it would be much shorter, but I don't know what goes into that process.

 

The late fee's issue is a separate topic.

[santangelo]

By zero day notice, I'm assuming submitting the sanction the same day as the tournament.

 

So if you submit a tournament sanction on Sunday, would you expect USAWS to sanction it? I expect they would have some due diligence to perform to validate the sanction such as validation of officials. If you had a tournament and charged skiers money for it, and USAWS did not sanction it because you have invalid officials, would that be fair to the skiers to not get a rankings list score for the tournament? I realize that there are some software systems in place to validate some of this, but eye balls should be involved to some degree.

 

Also, if you can't plan a tournament at least a few days in advance, how would they have any confidence you're planning a legit event? They are the ones providing the coverage for the event, so they need to be give some deference.

 

I think a more reasonable question would be what is acceptable in terms of advance notice. Ideally it would be much shorter, but I don't know what goes into that process.

 

The late fee's issue is a separate topic.

[disland]

@santangelo I would post a triple panda but I dont know how, maybe @horton can provide.

 

The computer system already screens for relevant officials. Why do we need eye balls.

 

I can already cheat and say someone was there to judge and never was. The EVP doesnt come to every tournament to make sure we follow all the rules. The Chief Judge reports if all rules were followed. When i send in the report I take that seriously. My integrity is worth a lot more than some stupid buoy score.

 

I have had a situation where an appointed official had to leave because of an emergency. i noted it on my report. AWSA did not invalidate my sanction. This type of thinking is exactly what we are trying to get way from. At some point we have to believe that the majority of skiers are not trying to cheat and stop creating more rules and policies to police ourselves.

[disland]

@santangelo I would post a triple panda but I dont know how, maybe @horton can provide.

 

The computer system already screens for relevant officials. Why do we need eye balls.

 

I can already cheat and say someone was there to judge and never was. The EVP doesnt come to every tournament to make sure we follow all the rules. The Chief Judge reports if all rules were followed. When i send in the report I take that seriously. My integrity is worth a lot more than some stupid buoy score.

 

I have had a situation where an appointed official had to leave because of an emergency. i noted it on my report. AWSA did not invalidate my sanction. This type of thinking is exactly what we are trying to get way from. At some point we have to believe that the majority of skiers are not trying to cheat and stop creating more rules and policies to police ourselves.