New Carbon Pro replacement or model info yet?

[bigskieridaho]

So all of this talk about the new Nautique has got me wondering if there is anything new on the Carbon Pro? Maybe @Horton knows something? Love to see something.

[Mateo_Vargas]

I've got that spy photo too. Somewhere near Merced.

 

 

[Horton]

@bigskieridaho last i heard the engineers were busy getting it ready to be seen. 60 -90 days is my guess.

[bigskieridaho]

Cool can't wait to see it! By the time I am ready to buy another boat I will be able to afford one.

[LeonL]

Don't pile on me or throw rocks at me, but I heard a rumor that there won't be a 2018 Carbon Pro. That there won't be anymore of them. Again probably an unfounded rumor, based on @Horton 's comment above.

[santangelo]

@LeonL, they are actively working on one.

[ntx]

Heard it will be branded as a Supreme. Open Bow.

[Horton]

@LeonL That rumor is 100% out there and 100% not true. Makes you wonder who started it and why.

[Horton]

@ntx that is correct

[bigskieridaho]

@ntx @Horton yep that's what you were saying the last time this subject came up. My wife was just saying the other day that she still loves the CP and maybe one day there will be an OB so it will work for us. Wonder what it will be called? Supreme Carbon Pro doesn't sound right....

[Ilivetoski]

I wonder why they would rebrand it under Supreme? More and more people are skiing the Carbon Pro every year and its now getting to the point that people will a buy a Carbon Pro instead of the other 3 brands. And now they want to put it under a different name? Doesn't make sense to me because I would think some people are going to think they discontinued it.

[John Brooks]

I know that I bought @santangelo 2015 CP and could not be happier. These boats have the best wakes, drive great and look forward to them continuing in the future.

[FSSPCat]

I don't know why they would rebrand it. It seems to be gaining a great deal of momentum. (Unrelated, that little boat in the picture would be hilariously fun).

[LeonL]

Well as a stretch, but still perhaps a basis for the rumor. In a manner of speaking CarbonPro will cease to exist, if it gets rebranded. Maybe no malice on anyone's part, just misunderstanding.

[Horton]

The product name CarbonPro will be retained. The decision to change the branding from Centurion to Supreme is all about marketing strategy. I can't exactly explain the logic but Fineline who is the parent company believe the boat will be more successful under the Supreme brand.

 

In the end the boat will be built in the same factory by the same people with the same processes. The 2018 boat is expected to have the same driving and skiing attributes but with a more broad appeal amenities on the inside ( or something like that).

 

 

[escmanaze]

Holy Cow, this is a huge deal!!! A carbon pro with the possibility of open bow means that even guys with a family have a chance at skiing on a boat that is less than 20 years old without going broke!!!

 

I wonder if they are going to make it ugly like all the supreme wakeboard boats the same way CC is supposedly about to make the 200 ugly like the GS20. If so, that would leave MC all alone with the only ski boat that isn't hideous.

 

Still, hideous or not, if it's at the supreme type price point and it has open bow, that boat is legitimately on my radar. Now I can't wait for 60-90 days!!

[Nando]

Open bow and closed bow, or just open? I don't understand re-branding it as a Supreme, as my memory of Ski Supremes is certainly not going to sway me to buy one. In a short time, they have gained a ton of credibility as the Centurion Carbon Pro- I'm not the branding guru in my family, but it seems like a step backwards.

[Dacon62]

If I had to guess I think it may look something like this Supreme S202 with a different wetted surface and different tower.

Good looking boat!

 

https://goo.gl/jEu0HP

 

[oldjeep]

Kidding right? Those Supremes are the second ugliest boat on the water, right behind Epic. Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if you peeled off all the stickers and could do something about the frankenstien dash.

 

[Ilivetoski]

I really just feel that they have had an issue this entire time with people being accepting of a 4th brand and they are finally overcoming that.... And then they decide to change the brand name :|

[Dacon62]

@oldjeep...overall good looking. Doesn't mean there isn't room for cleaning up the look of some areas. Heck any boat out there I bet everyone of us would have a nit pick here or there.

[ntx]

What if the price goes down by transferring some of the components from the other models that exist now in the Supreme line? What would be a good price point for a REAL BARE BONES boat with shared components? We all complain about the cost of the big three, but at the same time, complain about the cheap looking interiors of the other options. We cant have it both ways.

[Ilivetoski]

@ntx I understand that but why do they have to rebrand it to do that? It just seems to me like they are pushing the restart button on getting people to trust a new brand

[ALPJr]

@"Mateo Vargas" spy photo?

[ntx]

@Live2ski I agree and don't know the answer. See @Horton post above. I do believe that the resale value of the boats from the last few years will take a huge hit. Keep in mind that well before your time,

(early 80's to early 90's) Supreme had very good name recognition.

[LoopSki]

@"Mateo Vargas" I would love to get one of those addictor boats ! Wanting one since I was a little kid

[Horton]

@ntx 93 Supreme was a great boat. Think my longest practice jumps ever were behind that boat.

[Cent]

Interesting.

 

I have a 6.0 Carbon Pro and absolutely love it. My wife does also. For us the wakes are unsurpassed.

 

I have experience as a dealer from some years past with Nautique, Mastercraft, and Centurion.

 

For my wife especially the Centurion wake experience carried the day. The Carbon Pro gives me what we like without a bunch we do not need. It is a ski boat and a great one plain and simple.

 

The boat is is not as well known but it delivers what it was designed to do which is not an all around her, but purpose built ski boat.

 

We also have a bow rider at the dock; a design with some have family benefits for many.

 

Over all I have probably used roughly 60 plus tournament boats from the three companies in various years as a primary boat. We switched are personal boat often.

 

But for us the Carbon Pro is our all time favorite. If it's at the end of its run then for us it's time the Centurion Carbon Pro became a cult boat starting today with us. This is the boat we will keep.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DW]

IMO a more concerning statement is "more broad appeal amenities" which more times than not translates to higher MSRP.

 

For my buying criteria, the brand identity will rest in wake performance, followed by a whole bunch of other criteria before I worry about what the name on the side of the boat says. I am sure the brand marketers cringe at that.

[oldjeep]

The brand switch might also make it easier for them to let smaller dealers in a market who care about ski boats handle the Supreme line while the Centurion dealers can continue to be more interested in selling $130K + wake boats. The CP seems to fit in better with the entry level Supreme wake boats than the rest of the expensive centurion line.

[bigskieridaho]

I really like the design and look of the CP. If they are just rebranding it and adding an open bow and not changing the look go for it. Seems like auto and boat manufactures have to keep changing everything all the time. Honestly none of us need a boat or car that looks like a morphed spaceship. Hopefully they don't completely ruin it.

[unksskis]

Seems like they're running off data from one market survey, that said what they wanted it to. Many good points, including effecting current CP prices, promo owners, etc. don't seem to be considered, eluding to little short-mid term concern, care, or overall understanding.

 

Only Supreme dealers I know of are long running CC dealers.

[Horton]

A lot of you guys are jumping to conclusions and being negative about a boat that no one has seen. The original CarbonPro is a fantastic product why don't you guys wait to see the new product before you get all freaked out.

[RAWSki]

Having owned several Centurions I am sad to see the Centurion brand leave skiing. But I understand that CCH needs to fine tune their offerings so they don't compete against themselves. Moving the Carbon Pro to Supreme makes sense for that reason and if the rumors of a similar running surface with an optional open bow and other "plug and play" options are true. I am excited to see the S-CP 2.0.

[Horton]

@RAWSki what I expect to see is the exact same boat from the water line down and a more spacious interior with an open bow. If you look at the current boat you'll see they're going to have to do some work to make room for the open bow. The distance from the prop to the pylon is likely going to be identical so the major dimensional changes will have to happen from the pylon forward. Granted these are all assumptions not actual inside information.

[skiinxs]

@Horton " @ntx 93 Supreme was a great boat. Think my longest practice jumps ever were behind that boat." I agree, the 92-93 CS hull was a very good hull. Great slalom wake, tracked great. It was actually the first time the backwards step was used in a ski boat design. Mark McNeil designed that hull, later the Toyota hull with the backwards steps, which we see on the 200 now. The downside, both then and now, is the additional horsepower required to push them. My 92 Supreme CS was the only one to successfully pull a regionals (after I gave the boat a lot of tweaking and swapped out the first 285 pro boss for a stronger one PCM shipped to me). The following year, they sent a boat to the boat test with a green 260 Mercruiser and it flunked the acceleration test, ending the long run of Supremes as promo boats.

 

[UWSkier]

CP is one of the last boats with nice lines. I hope they don't add a bunch of goofy unnecessary angles and such.

[Chef23]

I like the idea of an open bow CP derivative. It would be good for our lake.

[Cent]

I see the Centurion Carbon Pro as a purpose built boat designed and built for the end user; not for Dealers. It was of course designed before CC acquired Centurion and with Centurion CC also got Supeme.

 

Centurion built the Carbon Pro to produce exactly what it is and generally priced it so as to not produce much margin for dealers. It was about building a ski boat the way Centurion thought it should be done. It was not about building a profit maker for dealers. Centurions profit focus was clearly elsewhere. Skiers who got Carbon Pros and the sport benefited but as designed and priced it was not a high margin hot item for dealers.

 

Carbon Pros were in my estimation not that easy to find at the dealers.

 

There may now be some refocus on purpose and dealers with Supreme, but hopefully it will be a great boat. it certainly could and I think should be given the boat from which there starting.

[oldjeep]

Pretty hard to find any direct drives at dealers. Biggest Malibu dealer in the country has maybe 1 in stock

[MISkier]

@oldjeep, it is hard to find a direct drive at the local MasterCraft dealer, too. I heard he sold something like 5 Prostars in the last month. So, the stock might be depleted or low for the time being.

[Bdecker]

Excited to see the new boat. If it skis as well as our 2016, I couldn't care less if it says Centurion or Supreme on the dash. All 4 manufacturers supporting three event skiing should be commended for continuing to innovate in a very small market.

[swc5150]

I'd think most, if not all people in the market for a CP are familiar with the Supreme brand, so I don't see the rebrand affecting anything. I actually think it'll be pretty cool to see the Ski Supreme back.

[bigskieridaho]

Anything new on this yet? Would love to see the new product!

[waterskibum01]

I still don't see a 2018 Carbon Pro on the either the Centurion or Supreme web sites. Should I conclude the days of a closed bow, direct drive, ski boat are over with this manufacturer. Or maybe I'm missing something?

[BraceMaker]

2018 centurion carbon pro is still approved as a hull unmodified - wonder why that is.

 

http://www.usawaterski.org/pages/tournkit/awsa/chief%20driver/approvedtournamenttowboats.pdf

[Wish]

What I was told at the Orlando Boat show by a SkiSupreme rep from Cal is that the replacement never got past a CAD drawing and was tabled. My opinion by looking at his body language and tone of voice was... most likely indefinitely. He also started telling me how great of a ski boat the wakeboat was we sere leaning on.

[LoopSki]

Seems silly why they wouldnt just re badge it aa a Supreme and continue with the one they already had .

[oldjeep]

Maybe because they decided that they could use those MFG slots for more profitable and easier to sell wake boats?

[skihacker]

I swear I saw a "coming soon" ad in waterskier magazine just a few months back???