Baller rico Posted July 18, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 18, 2019 4/10th of an inch wider that the Vapor. What is the difference with the Senate Pro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller schafer Posted July 18, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 18, 2019 Senate is 2/10ths wider I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted July 18, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 18, 2019 I wonder how much wider than most skis the Wide Ride was, are Radar going down this route, if I remember correctly quite a few people complained of back issues after riding the Wide Ride, but also a lot of people did like it at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 18, 2019 Administrators Share Posted July 18, 2019 Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aupatking Posted July 18, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 18, 2019 I got a Union to play on. Haven’t yet but really looking forward to trying some goof-off -38 @ 26 mph passes. Our old Theory has been the Holy Grail of teaching skis. I’ve never seen a ski that more people learned to get up on and ride. I’m hoping the new Union will be just as good. It’s about 14 pounds lighter ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted July 18, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 18, 2019 @Horton Ha Ha ! Just and old Fool ! I deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted July 18, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 18, 2019 @rico Senate pro is 2/10ths of an inch wider than the vapor. The Senate pro has the PMI core the same as the Vapor pro build. If you're asking about the 2020 Senate pro, you'll have to wait a bit longer to find out. Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 18, 2019 Administrators Share Posted July 18, 2019 @ColeGiacopuzzi I held the 2020 yesterday. Don't tell Brooks. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rico Posted July 18, 2019 Author Baller Share Posted July 18, 2019 @ColeGiacopuzzi I meant what is the difference besides width. I wasn’t sure what market the Union was for. Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted July 18, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 18, 2019 The union is for more open water/crossover ski for 24-32 mph! @rico Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ejj Posted July 21, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 21, 2019 I’m still wondering where the Union fits compared to the Katana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller escmanaze Posted July 22, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 22, 2019 @ejj Here's where it fits as I understand it. Vapor - Tournament -fast speeds - performance - racing - skinny Senate Union Katana Butterknife - Freeride - slow speeds - chillin - fat So...right in the middle of radar's line apparently. Now I need some reviews on this thing. After yesterday's developments, I'm suddenly thinking I'm going to be in the market for a 65" version in about a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted July 22, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 22, 2019 Here is a chart of all our skis to get a better idea. Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jayski Posted July 22, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 22, 2019 awwwwwww fak...ski surface area....enter Chipman praisin the glory of it all :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ejj Posted July 22, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 22, 2019 Yep I understand the chart. The Union and Katana seem to be awfully close in every dimension. Must just be a shape difference. Or people were upset about the missing Theory and didn’t really buy the Katana so they reproduced it based on the current comp ski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted July 22, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just skied the 67 senate pro build with @TFIN numbers. That ski is nice. Not as forgiving as my EVO but rewards good form. @ColeGiacopuzzi is the 2020 just a graphic change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted July 22, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 22, 2019 Sorry @mbabiash gotta wait a little longer for that answer! the whole 2020 line is unreal though. Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted July 22, 2019 Baller_ Share Posted July 22, 2019 Best line up/system that Radar had going IMHO.... Vapor Senate ..,slightly wider Theory ....slightly wider P6. .....slightly wider still New to course skiing?. Start at the bottom of the pack at 24mph and work your way up the ski design and up the MPH. Never worry about a wacky diff feeling other brand ski as you improve and advance up the line. now it seems there's almost to many skis to pick from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Mateo_Vargas Posted July 22, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 22, 2019 Come on @ColeGiacopuzzi I'm trying to plan my 2020 wardrobe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted July 22, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 22, 2019 That’s what they always say though. 2016 vapor was awesome. 17 and 18 probuilds took a step backward. 2019 I hear is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller UWSkier Posted July 23, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 23, 2019 @Wish they still have that. Just change out the Union for Theory and the Katana for P6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 23, 2019 Administrators Share Posted July 23, 2019 @mbabiash Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller vtmecheng Posted July 23, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 23, 2019 How many different panda memes can we get in one thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted July 23, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 23, 2019 Yes!!! My first panda. Not sure that was deserving though @horton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 23, 2019 Administrators Share Posted July 23, 2019 @mbabiash 2016 & 2017 skis basically the same 2018 & 2019 skis basically the same Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted July 23, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 23, 2019 Interesting that the Katana has a tiny bit less surface area in the 67” length than the Union. I have been skiing the 67 Katana at 200 pounds at 30 mph and it has plenty of support. It is a fun ski in the course at slower speeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bhs Posted July 23, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 23, 2019 Jayski, I think Chipman has been banned so he went be chiming in any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller escmanaze Posted July 23, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 23, 2019 @ejj Good point, I didn't even notice that. Like @Chef23 says, the 67" and the 69" are bigger in the union line than the katana line. Crazy. The shape is obviously much different though. As @wish said, I loved the progression starting with the P6, but I'll disagree and say there are never too many choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted July 23, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 23, 2019 @horton are you telling me that materials do not make a difference. New core new textreme from 16 to 17 right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 23, 2019 Administrators Share Posted July 23, 2019 @mbabiash materials do make a huge difference but in this case I think your facts need some double checking. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted July 23, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 23, 2019 Hmmmm. Ok. The almighty intergalactic leader has spoken. I will step down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted July 23, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 23, 2019 2016 pvc core 2017 pmi core. Am I missing something here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ballsohard Posted July 23, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 23, 2019 @mbabiash the 16 and the 17 are the same shape, the 18 and the 19 are the same shape. Saying that the 17 and 18 are very similar due to having the same core that the 19 also has is bananas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 23, 2019 Administrators Share Posted July 23, 2019 Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabeej20 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 @mbabiash You aren't comparing the same models (hence the pandas I assume). The 16 is a lithium (highest model of that year I believe) the 17 you are looking at there is the pro-build which does have the PMI core. If you compare 16-17 Lithium they are almost the same. If you compare 18-19 of the same "model" they are largely the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller KRoundy Posted July 23, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 23, 2019 Just 9 days to go before we see what the gang up in Woodinville have been up to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller escmanaze Posted July 23, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 23, 2019 @jayski unfortunately we won't be getting any Chipman surface area comments. I'm sure it's killing him inside. Insert Shruggie emoji here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JaredSmith Posted July 24, 2019 Baller Share Posted July 24, 2019 I skied on the '16 Lithium Vapor and the '17 Pro Build Vapor, liked the '16 Lithium Vapor better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tony Posted August 8, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2019 anybody have setting recommendations for the 2020 68” pro built? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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