Baller UCFskier Posted October 18, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 18, 2021 Joel Poland wins worlds overall, places second in jump and set an new (pending) overall record. is he the greatest skier of all time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimbrake Posted October 18, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 18, 2021 you mean Joel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller UCFskier Posted October 18, 2021 Author Baller Share Posted October 18, 2021 haha thanks man.... typing too fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ktm300 Posted October 18, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 18, 2021 Can't remember from where the info came (Probably BOS) but, it was reported that someone accused Poland of being too cocky and he said "That's okay cause I make up for it with my good looks" No idea if he actually said this but, I hope he did. That's funny. Dude has style, humor and mad skills. He's only 22 so we'll see how he pans out over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Cooper_Trelawney Posted October 18, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 18, 2021 No. His career is too young to be considered the greatest skier of all time. I have tons of respect for Joel and am a fan but if you want to discuss greatest male skier of all time; I would include Brett Wing, Patrice Martin, Sammy Duvall, Carl Roberge and Mike Hazelwood. Joel and his contemporaries (Llewellyn, Robert Hazelwood, Danylo Fechinco?, etc) are definitely elevating overall but let's give him a few years before crowning him Best Skier of All Time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted October 18, 2021 Administrators Share Posted October 18, 2021 Poll does not have the right options. Joel best ever? Maybe some day but not yet. Below is an incomplete list of skiers who in my mind still rank above Joel. Sammy Duvall Carl Roberge Patrice Martin Brett Wing Jimmy Siemers Jaret Llewellyn Mike Suyderhoud Chuck Stearns Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MDB1056 Posted October 18, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 18, 2021 No one only 22 is even close to “all time” in anything. Get real…… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andre Posted October 18, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 18, 2021 He broke a 2 weeks old record... My ski finish in 16.95 but my ass is out of tolerance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScottScott Posted October 18, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 18, 2021 This is kinda silly. In 10-15 years we can start to have this conversation.....if he stays healthy and dominates. He has competition tho Meant to select the 4 option in the voting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller pcmcon729 Posted October 18, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 18, 2021 He Is the, "Highest scoring overall skier of all time" at this time. Period! Insanely talented athlete. Time will tell, in regards to the question above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bojans Posted October 18, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 18, 2021 Regardless if he is the best or not, this is an exciting time for overall with Dorien and Joel duking it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted October 18, 2021 Baller_ Share Posted October 18, 2021 Leza Harrison won Women’s overall at Nationals over 30 times including 12 times in a row. And she only got an Award of Distinction, not a Hall of Fame admission. Tough crowd. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted October 18, 2021 Administrators Share Posted October 18, 2021 @lpskier how many times did she win in open? Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ESPNSkier Posted October 19, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 19, 2021 Agree that Joel is insanely talented. He also happens to be a really nice guy who is bringing a lot of attention to overall. Remember that this is the 2nd time he set the Wotld overall record this year and he came back from an ankle injury to set it even higher during the biggest tournament of the season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted October 19, 2021 Supporting Member Share Posted October 19, 2021 I'm not thinking about "greatest" for him right now, but he might just be exactly what this sport needs right now! A young guy with a unique style, a fun vibe, and an insane amount of talent. Although I don't know him personally, I don't really get the negative impression that a few folks seem to have. Is it just that he drops the "wrong" hand at 6 ball sometimes? Um, there are no style points in slalom. You can round each buoy however the hell you want. And he sure seemed genuine in the Freddie Winter interview while he was sweating out whether Dorien would edge him out for Overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted October 19, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 19, 2021 I am not going to get suckered into another never ending GOAT debate, but for sure count me in for the Joel Poland fan club. He makes high level, three-event skiing look like its fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted October 19, 2021 Baller_ Share Posted October 19, 2021 @Horton I don’t know. Maybe never. But 32 National Overall titles (and the 100+ gold medals going with them) is certainly nothing to sneeze at. I am certainly not nominating her for best skier ever, but suggesting that perhaps overall is regarded less glamorously than slalom. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bigtex2011 Posted October 19, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 19, 2021 I've ben there at Rini's a few times when he's there. dude can flat out ski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ESPNSkier Posted October 19, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 19, 2021 I’ve gotten to know Joel fairly well over the last year and he is the real deal. I would not describe him as “Cocky” but he does have confidence that belies his youth. He is a consummate showman but he is also grounded and respectful. I can’t wait to see what he does next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mfjaegersr Posted October 19, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 19, 2021 @Horton ‘Chick’? He deserves better, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted October 19, 2021 Administrators Share Posted October 19, 2021 @mfjaegersr bad typo Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted October 19, 2021 Baller_ Share Posted October 19, 2021 I think that you need a pretty big ego to succeed at the highest level of any sport, and that may come off as cockiness. Significant belief in self=ego=cockiness. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rogerw Posted October 19, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 19, 2021 Mr Poland. Bloody well done young man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted October 19, 2021 Baller_ Share Posted October 19, 2021 No longevity here as he is truly a great skier but still quite young for that. He has a long way to go to be the goat! Andy was a overall skier with 4 decades or more under his belt. RIP Sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LK_skier Posted October 20, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 20, 2021 I’ll show my Aussie bias and throw Geoff Carrington into that list @Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted October 20, 2021 Administrators Share Posted October 20, 2021 @LK_skier Geoff won a world championship in jump I believe. Before his accident he was one of the most beloved guys on the pro scene but no way was he one of the greatest of all time in jump or overall. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted October 20, 2021 Baller_ Share Posted October 20, 2021 How about Ricky McCormick and Wayne Grimditch. Ricky won worlds in trick and and then twice in jump, plus an Olympic gold medal, and Wayne won worlds once in jump and twice in trick. Great skiers “back in the day.” Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller UCFskier Posted October 20, 2021 Author Baller Share Posted October 20, 2021 I thought we would have heard Sammy Duvals name by now. Outstanding Jumper, overall skier, and by far the most famous skier from back in the ESPN/ProTour days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted October 20, 2021 Baller_ Share Posted October 20, 2021 I also think that Patrice Martine is probably a close 2nd.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MichaelGoodman Posted October 20, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 20, 2021 @UCFskier Check Horton's list surprised @Horton left Andy off it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted October 20, 2021 Baller_ Share Posted October 20, 2021 @MichaelGoodman The list is all three eventers. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MichaelGoodman Posted October 20, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 20, 2021 @lpskier I thought Andy used to three event if not my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted October 20, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 20, 2021 Hmmmm? Guess we will have to wait until the end of time to find out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted October 20, 2021 Baller_ Share Posted October 20, 2021 @MichaelGoodman He did, but he was not a pro three eventer. No elite world titles in trick, jump or overall, so not a contender in a discussion about great three eventers. That said, in the 2014 Senior Worlds (also at Travers), the coolest thing I saw in the whole tournament (including Fred Halt running 41 in a run off at 34) was catching Andy going down the trick lake doing toes. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted October 21, 2021 Baller_ Share Posted October 21, 2021 What Andy not a pro three eventer? Hmm for the time this was world level trick skiing! Can't find any jump video of him. I know his last professional jump event was SRB (Destin 93 or 94 ) manufacturers challenge where Teams from Correct Craft and Mastercraft went head to head! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted October 21, 2021 Baller_ Share Posted October 21, 2021 @Jody_Seal I stand corrected. How about: He is not known for being a three eventer? I went to several of pro events and I never saw him jump, but maybe I was late to the party. I know he tricked and I knew he jumped as a young man but never knew him as as a jumper. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller unksskis Posted October 21, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 21, 2021 The record has changed hands a lot lately, and likely will again soon. Pretty dumb poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted October 21, 2021 Baller_ Share Posted October 21, 2021 @unksskis Not really a dumb poll. Joel Poland is the world champion and a dynamic young skier. Its great to see this type of enthusiasm and sportsmanship. I hope Joel continues to set the bar for others to try and achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller NoahVieke Posted October 21, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 21, 2021 I’m surprised Regina hasn’t been thrown into the conversation. Obviously an extremely accomplished slalom skier (9 world records?), 8x masters slalom champion, but how many world titles to her name in slalom and overall? Too much to keep track of for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted October 21, 2021 Administrators Share Posted October 21, 2021 @NoahVieke Yep. Regina is female GOAT & maybe GOAT GOAT. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller andjules Posted October 21, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 21, 2021 Two thoughts: it's really tough to be a GOAT in overall, if your requirement is being head-and-shoulders dominant over a long period. Regina & Patrice have each won overall @ worlds 5 times, but over their career they always had stiff competition and on any given weekend, I don't think you'd expect them to win overall the way you'd expect Regina, Nate or Andy to win slalom. Liz Allan was the only skier to ever have a grand slam at Worlds: in 1969, she won slalom, tricks, jump and (obviously) overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted October 21, 2021 Baller_ Share Posted October 21, 2021 Chuck Norris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ mike_mapple Posted October 21, 2021 Baller_ Share Posted October 21, 2021 my dad stopped jumping after a bad crash at moomba. Performance Ski and Surf Mike@perfski.com 👾 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members RGilmore Posted October 21, 2021 Members Share Posted October 21, 2021 "Is Joel Poland the greatest skier of all time?" No way to know, because "all time" isn't over yet. Change the question to, "Is Joel Poland the greatest skier of OUR time?" and you can probably answer "yes". "all time" includes hundreds of great skiers before Joel Poland was even born, and [hopefully] hundreds more to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller CBR51 Posted October 25, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2021 Agreed. Too early to tell about greatest of all time. But maybe that was the greatest overall performance at the Worlds of all time. Certainly right up there. Not too sure how many times in history that the World overall record has been broken at the Worlds? I wouldn’t think it would be many. And Joel has now done it twice! He also broke the U-21 World overall record at the U-21 Worlds in Edmonton. Talk about coming up big in the biggest event! Awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller CBR51 Posted October 25, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2021 Also after looking at John’s list of top overall skiers. Not sure if Brett Wing should be on there. Unless you are counting barefoot? I can think of lots of other overall 3 event skiers that were better. If we were counting overall skier in all on the water events, then Brett would probably sit at the top, no question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted October 25, 2021 Baller_ Share Posted October 25, 2021 Two skiers that are of goat status ! Tricky Ricky and Dr. Mike Morgan .Both at McCormick's this past weekend. Overall skiers that were dominant for sure. Might add Frankie Dees on that list. He just broke a age group record, longevity for sure goes to Frankie!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller CBR51 Posted October 25, 2021 Baller Share Posted October 25, 2021 Yes for sure. Also Mike Hazelwood, Mick Neville, Kreg Llewellyn were also great overall skiers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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