Radar question

[WoodySkier]

On 3/8/2024 at 9:54 PM, jjackkrash said:

What size?  I hit a dry 194 today and have a 67" coming.  I am motivated to keep cutting into the 180s.    

Although I got two free-ski sets in on the '24 68" vapor today in 42 degree water and even in the miserable cold water this ski feels like a real winner.  

67.  You’d probably be better on a 67 senate over a 68 vapor. lf you’re skiing the course I’d go with the Pro, it’s definitely an upgrade over the lithium and all the other builds seem more designed for open water.

[jjackkrash]

I tried out a '22 67" Senate Pro this weekend.  It's a very nice ski, very stable.  Free skiing at 34 MPH / -28.  The '24 68" Vapor seems faster cross course but a little less forgiving of mistakes.  I am sub-194 pounds right now hopefully heading into the high 180s in the next week or two.   I am looking forward to running both skis through the paces this year especially when the water warms up.  50-degree water can be a little deceiving as to ski characteristics as the water warms up.  I am pretty sure the 69"ers are too big for me at least at 34 mph and sub 200 lbs.  

[ironhorse]

Just picked up a new Vapor Pro. Looking forward to trying soon now that the ice is off!

 

[C5Quest]

On 3/2/2024 at 8:53 PM, Horton said:

@thager Yeah the definitions are becoming fuzzy. 

Long/Deep us something like below. 2.480 is not very shallow and 6.963 is long. It is a big fin and feels great on the 24 Vapor. 

• 30 1/8th (Vapor boot)
• 9
• 2.480
• 6.953
• .752

@Horton How would you tweak these numbers for a 66 ?  

[aupatking]

48 minutes ago, C5Quest said:

@Horton How would you tweak these numbers for a 66 ?  

I usually look at the difference in stock numbers from a 67 to a 68 and use those same differences to get “roughly” there. In the case of the “24 Vapor, the settings are the same for the 66, 67, & 68, with the exception of adding .005 for each inch longer. So 0.005 less for a 66

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@C5Quest

for 66" Id try:

29 11/16 vapor boot

2.480

6.945

.745

[aupatking]

@Hortonthoee L/D numbers are sick, straight off the dock first set

[jjackkrash]

On 4/4/2024 at 7:37 AM, ColeGiacopuzzi said:

@C5Quest

for 66" Id try:

29 11/16 vapor boot

2.480

6.945

.745

And for 68" if you have them?  Thanks!

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@jjackkrash for 68” it would be:

30 11/16 vapor boot

2.480

6.945

.755

9

 

 

[jjackkrash]

1 hour ago, aupatking said:

@Hortonthoee L/D numbers are sick, straight off the dock first set

Care to elaborate?   "Sick" sounds like a ringing endorsement.

[Horton]

FYI - @ColeGiacopuzzi numbers are the same as my L/D numbers. He and I  were talking about it this morning. He thinks my bindings are too far forward but it turns out Cole is just bad a fractions. 🙂 

[jjackkrash]

So it looks like fin really long, fin moderately deep, but bindings farther forward to compensate.  

[Horton]

@jjackkrash I am 1/8 forward of stock. That is not a lot. Don't over think it. It is just a slightly different zone.

[jjackkrash]

I am just trying to picture what it's doing and why.   Ok so maybe overthinking.  But it's raining and I got nothing else to think about until this thundercap passes and we can head to the lake.  I will probably give this setting a rip when our water hits 60.   

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

Horton just doesn’t like to listen, I told him his boots are too far back. @jjackkrash it’s just how much support you want with the tail. Father forward equals more support as it locks the tail. 

[aupatking]

19 hours ago, jjackkrash said:

Care to elaborate?   "Sick" sounds like a ringing endorsement.

Sorry about the “sick” descriptor. We just opened a cable wake park on our ski lake so the wakeboarder language is rubbing off on me. 
“sick”: Automatic. no thoughts like “get over the front to make the turn initiate”, the ski is doing what it is supposed to do with minimal input. You just have to fix you. Onside and Offside turns are easy and tight, no noticeable tip rise. My best set this year

[coach3]

Hey, I have a almost new 66" Vapor, $1280. PM me.

[Zman]

On 4/7/2024 at 10:05 AM, aupatking said:

We just opened a cable wake park on our ski lake so the wakeboarder language is rubbing off on me. 
 

You did WHAT?!?

[aupatking]

@Zman Not wanting to take the thread too off-topic, but to answer your question

https://fb.watch/rlCEsWJbx7/

While it is not skiing, it is bringing significant traffic to our lake so we are working in sets as often as I can get there to give as much visibility as possible.

[C5Quest]

@ColeGiacopuzzi I want to try these numbers this weekend but have an issue with my plate.  I’m running a size 9 New Radar Vapor boot on the Radar Carbon plate ( with Reflex release).  With this set up the furthest forward I can get is Bf 29 1/2.  Running the numbers you gave (2.480, 6.945, .745) I can’t get to Bf 30 11/16.  Would running 29 1/2  are a big difference ?  Currently on L/S stock now .  May try S/D first as well.  I have an extra Reflex plate I can try to mount to but it was my understanding that odd size boots fit the radar plate best while the even size boots work on the reflex plate.  ?  Also the issue of the radar boot not resting center (angled off) on the reflex plate.   

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

You meant 29 11/16 right cuz that’s a huge change haha. 
 

so what’s the issue, how come you can’t go farther forward? 
 

you can adjust the screws on the sides of the boots to center it up. They’re the little white Allen screws on the base plates of the reflex. 

[C5Quest]

@ColeGiacopuzzi ya sorry about that. I definitely meant 29 11/16.   I was looking at your post above for the 68.  lol.  
I just set up and skied stock Short/Deep this afternoon.  WOW. Ski just turned, point and shoot.  I need to work on getting up over my front foot more.  Off the second wake it seemed a little unsettled but that was probably poor transition and edge change.  I’ll stick with it and see if I can settle it down a bit .  Was running my passes earlier and wider though.  Good start.

ya so my set up ….. vapor boot, radar plate, reflex release, Micro-just on plate.  Mounting the toe bar/ release in the size 9 marked holes the furthest forward I can go is exactly 29 1/2  on my 2024 Vapor.   I think on my 2022/2023 I could go a little further but I’d have to go back and check.   I’ll also mess around with moving the toe loop/ release both forward or backward on the plate to get the extra movement.  

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

That’s great to hear!! Yeah stick with it for a while and see if it still feels good! 
 

shoot me a photo of your setup cuz that doesn’t sound right. 

[C5Quest]

will do tomorrow