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A few California "sleepers" might include the MB190 boss  and the MB200LS

The Tige 2000comp and 2002slm  (Those are models not years)

And Centurion Falcons, LaPoints and the Eclipse. (same hulls with tweaks)

(The original Tiges and Falcons were all made by Fineline-Centurion)

I owned a Carbon Pro and the wakes at slalom speed were really good as mentioned.  But if you want to go "way back" I might give the nod to a '94 ProStar 190 the wakes from 30-36 might have even been better. 

42 minutes ago, Horton said:

@RAWSki 

 If Accuski or Medallion had  better systems we would have used them. 

@Horton have to agree to disagree.  2001 is a long time ago and it's all history at this point. 

On 3/1/2024 at 4:59 PM, Dano said:

@jpwhit I understand this aspect of it.  Econtrols has our sport held hostage until another speed control exists.

@Dano AWSA has a history of "getting in bed" with a single speed control provider, FIrst Perfect Pass and now ZeroOff.   

Don't hold your breath..... 

21 hours ago, Dano said:

@RAWSki  i do agree that the cost of new boats is not what’s limiting new skiers.  I don’t think those are good examples of “done before”. None of those offerings were significantly cheaper in price than the flagship models and they did not perform as well as the flagship models. What is being proposed is a 60k boat that can perform as well or better than  the flagship  models.  I think both price point and performance are possible since the boats would be stripped down and weigh less.  At 60k that is half the cost of what is currently available.  That price point and performance would certainly win a good percentage of buyers of both new and used. 

@Dano sorry man you have have to explain how you are going to strip hundreds and hundreds of pounds out of a boat to achieve better performance and price advantages?  I know that @DW did it but I don't think his carbon fiber adds are going to be cheap.

You still need a 19-20' fiberglass reinforced tub, and 6L (or 5.3) Cat Engine.  The rest of the weight seems pretty much insignificant.  Designing a brand new hull is cost prohibitive, splashing or recycling a proven design is much more likely. 

I am reminded of the old line.     *Quality, Performance, Cost*    You can choose any 2.

That's awesome I don't remember seeing it before.   I would need a larger/longer short I have a few dozen more items.

I just don't believe the cost of new ski boats is limiting the number of new/aspiring skiers into the sport, yes it would be nice to have a "5 digit" option but it's been tried more than once.  Even back in the heyday of direct drives, MC and Malibu offered SportStars and Sporters, and they just didn't sell well enough to last more than a few years.

@MISkier if a lake is only 16' at it's center/deepest spot does it make the bill not enforceable ? 😉

Slippery Slope.....

I'll take Vaughn, Burdick, T-Gas, and Asher in the Final Four. 

Just now, dave2ball said:

@slow PCM is correct Craft.  Indmar  not quite sure who all is using them.   
 

Pretty much anyone that isn't MC, Malibu or SN, Centurion/Supreme.    So all the rest of the surf barges.   Mercruiser and Marine Power still make inboard engines but mostly for repowers and speciality markets.

No please do not come here!  there are invasive Brazilian Pepper Trees and crazy donkeys surrounding the lake and unless you are careful there could be extreme (Panda like) issues.  Perfect conditions and midwestern hospitality cant make up for all those red berries. 😉

Thanks for a great visit Mark!

We look forward to checking it out this Friday!  

looks ideal for jumpers riding back down the lake with rope between their legs   

Good list @lpskier   Jobe was the only one missing from your list I could think of and @503Kento got that one.  I am sure there are few very obscure others.  I remember "honeycomb" cores had its moment on both the water and the slopes.... (Hexcel, SkiMaster, etc).  I am sure @DWhad a pair of Hexcel 'split tails' at one time too!?

8 minutes ago, DW said:

Your snow skis have an HO sticker on them.

The "good old days" when you really could ski the same brand of sticks in summer and winter! 

We can usually catch them either live or at the lake on slight delay lucky to have two screens close to the dock

4 hours ago, thager said:

It's -9 F and you walk down to the storage shed  to talk to your Nautique and make sure everything's OK.

@thager does it talk back to you?  Only the really good ones do!

21 hours ago, Horton said:

Have to remember that every single Elite that was ever built was handmade by @AdamCord

Whatever might be wrong with that ski it's clearly Adam's fault.

On the other hand Andy was responsible for the Sixam at O'Brien. Clearly one of the best  skis ever built. Fact that Adam was not involved does not mean anything.🤷‍♂️

And now O'Brien has taken the Sixam 2 molds and created the new Siege line of skis for "intermediate to advanced skiers"    

18 hours ago, The_MS said:

I guess you are correct. Crap like this drives me nuts 

@The_MS I think you meant to say...... "It has DRIVEN me Nuts"

Stay Warm!   And on the bright side a quality beer tastes good in any weather.  

That is definitely a "it's COLD why did you make me do this Dad" Look!

The Radar is similar with slightly wider bend area but haven't noticed any difference.  This one is only offered in a 13"

This is amazing and could easily happen next season. Congratulations to Joel.  

Is there a good reason it took 3 months to be approved by IWWF?  

Related to this subject.... Mostly trying to keep boat floors clean...... Who restricts or allows shoes in boats?

Wondering if it varies by state-region-season?