Hey Clive, Southlake rocks I still haven't beat the 2 @ 13 I got there in 2006, maybe this year. This winter hit early so November and December were hard with a lot of ice and high winds but it has eased of a bit now, I don't think we have had it as bad as down south, I am working in the garden today and you are probably snowed in. Woody will be jealous of your sauna he has been trying to get one at the centre for years. Brent, all our guys have their own ways to keep warm I personally have double shells with Intuition liners which keep my feet warm. A normal set is 8 passes where I spin the1st two and then drop at both ends after that, we normally come on the boat and stick our hands in a bucket of warm water after 4 passes, it is also nice to have the break. The hot water to the handle is in it's infancy it is working but not as well as I had hoped for although I did have a full set last time out without taking a hot water break.