jlittle

Well the non-underlined portion of ToddL's post, right after the underlined portion, makes me stand corrected.

The gate is not counted whether you loose the handle before or after. So as long as you get back to the buoy line it's scored 6, the pass is complete, you should get credit and the only thing you cannot do is continue. Or that's how I'd interpret it.

The more I think about my scenario, credit for the pass could be given as that is a separate issue from placement. Both guys would tie and get credit for 39.

The placement, all skiers with the same score, would look a little different. And there would be no ties. For instance.

1st - 0@ 41

2nd - 6@ 39 w/exit gates

3rd - 6@ 39 w/o exit gates

Sorry if that was too obvious. When my Havalon gets dull I change the blade. Sometimes I wait too long however.

Some clarification of a "complete pass" or "perfect pass" is probably in order.

So we have a tie. Neither skier, however, again IMHO, completed the pass as they both have no credit for the exit gate.

On to the run off. They both will start at the last completed pass. Which is? Does Skier A have a gripe because Skier B's last completed pass was 35? No, if credit is given for the opt up 39. Wait, we've already determined it's a tie, so credit was given.

OK, let's say Skier B, in his initial set, gets out the exit gates then looses the handle. Is it still a tie? I'd be kind of pissed if I were Skier B and I ended up in a run off since I got out the gates even though the scores are the same.

So, when is credit given for a complete pass?

Not trying to be an ass, just trying to think this through.

So, riddle me this...

Skier A goes 32, 35, 38, 39. Gets around the 6, back to the buoy line and looses the handle before the gates.

Skier B goes 32, 35, Opts to 39 with the same scenario as above.

My opinion is Skier A should receive the higher buoy count. Which is basically what Roger, Leon & Keith are discussing.

I believe the scoring program can handle this. Missing the gate to the 6 ball side is 5 1/2. Pretty standard. Enter the score & time. Click Skier Done.

Getting back to the line of the gate buoys & loosing the handle, falling or missing the gates to the right hand side would be 6 NC. The scorer would need to know the skier missed the exit gates. Enter the score, uncheck the exit gate box & enter the time. Click Skier Done. The program should take care of the scoring portion at that point.

Getting out the exit gates is also 6 NC. At this point you enter the 6 & the time (exit gate boxes stay checked) then click Skier Done. A window will pop up asking for an explanation. You type in Skier lost handle & click OK. Or skier decided he was scared to try the next pass. Or skier went to the hospital to fix separated shoulders. Or what ever. The program should take care of the score.

My memory is not that great but I think this is how the computer portion is handled.

@Andre Axe's lake was/is Dragonfly Lk that @jipster43 referenced and also the same lake @jedgell was referring to in St Ignatius.

In all seriousness, the guys in Helena are a fantastic group and I look forward to seeing them every year. It pains me to say the BOS cash prize tourney at Hilltop is the same weekend as one of the tourneys in Helena.

These pictures may not be as good as the Waterski Mag pics but, I was able to ski there (thank you jedgell & Frank) and camp overnight (thank you Jim Axe - R.I.P.) during a vacation road trip my wife & I took a few years back.

Found this in a drawer a couple weeks ago. Dropped it into my ski for fun this fall. It has made my ski flowy. There are no numbers on it so I don't really know what it is.