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1 hour ago, 503Kento said:

His primary (if not sole) focus should be getting across the wake without fear and with speed, angle, and body position (@markn photo).  Won’t matter how wide he starts, he will loose all the width after a few balls if he can’t get across the wake properly. When he is not able to ski the course he should ditch the turns and just practice getting across the wake.  A while back, @RobHazelwood posted a video on working up to a full speed wake crossing which could be beneficial. 

Ditto.

All I see is FEARRRRRR. DON'T CRASH!

The current path is of a very long journey of being a 15 off at 34 mph skier as an accomplishment. Then one day a break through and ending the journey as a mid-pack squat and puller with an average of 4@32 off on a good day.

Why not learn and break it now?

Upgrade the ski to something like a Senate-C, practice lean drills per the Britdudes videos linked below my post. Try, learn, take some spills and recognize you're not going to die. Repeat. Get over it.

2 hours ago, sridleysc said:

Jeff Rodgers skis with, what you call, the wrong palm up. 

LOL

Pretty good skiing considering. 
 

unfortunately, 35 at 344 behind a zero off boat is going to be an Everest climb. 
 

1) you’ve got the wrong Palm up. It’s detrimental to your hips being tucked under the handle and being worked outbound 

2) even  if you have the best position in the world “stacked” (archaic term) it doesn’t matte. Why? By your mental model of water skiing revolves around PULLING. The boat will always own you as you pull. 
 

read all my previous posts about “squat and pull”. You’re right in the heart of the bell curve. Results show too. 
 

but don’t let the tone of my post get you down. 
 

YOURE asking the right questions!!!

Saturday i put my hands on this handle at the dock. Very interesting design and legit. It's obvious the thought is being put into it, passion and care. 

Very cool innovation as well as skiers solving problems "for us". inspriring. 

I could see this thing going somewhere as well as a handle we use in our boat. 

15' @30 mph through 35 off, is about trying to go fast enough efficient enough.

38 off and beyond, is about trying to slow down enough, on time and efficient enough. 

Squat and pulling is exteremely counter productive to either of the two above but it will run you buoys.

Kinda like calling dog paddling "swimming".

19 minutes ago, Horton said:

@jhughes

I hear skiers talk about this, but I do not personally relate. I am not 100% sure but I am inclined to think that what you are describing cannot be “Everything else is correct but the skier leaned on the rope too hard / too soon”.  

Hi John, not speaking for the previous posters but it's sometimes not ideal to put words in when they weren't used nor assume meaning outside of the words.

"LEAN HARDER" 

is 100% not the same as 

"PULL HARDER"

a few posters are clearly referring to pulling, not leaning. Very different. 

If someone is paying attention to my posts, majority of the time I am saying "squat and PULL". These are the guys that are arm skiing, firing all their muslces and trying to be a "10" across the boat. They are tensed up, veins popping and usally exahusted. They'll also talk about how out of shape they are and gotta ski more, even though they have been skiing for 2 months, to get in ski shape. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

Which is why in my posts on the "what to do" perspective, I am constantly focusing on Loose and Lean, yes, lean deeper, more angle, roll the ski on a deeper edge. That's one of Adam Cords strengths. Props to him as it appears he's on the right trajectory. 

Our phsycial strength is NOT the power source, zero off is. We need to be using our strength to protect our postion and movement. Skiing is about holding postion and moving. Versus not pulling and trying to power across the boat and out around the buoys. 

Most skiers are pretty hard headed so it sure is fun to watch them fight to their failures and plateaus over their beliefs while they are not improving.

Beautiful site from the pics and video.

It looks like you might have dug out the lake a little bit on the far end? What's your length in the course as well as how are you handling the ends? Spin, dog-leg or straight in or other? 

From Okeeheelee, it looks like it's about 2 hours 24 minutes. Might be worth a drive over soon!

I'm tryin to like or awesome the great post from January 4th 2023 but it's not letting me?

This thread is inspiring! Don't let the haters slow you down. Keep going!

To get the ski to engage and turn more in the tip, have you considered drilling a few "relief" holes in the forebody front deck? or even in the front side walls? That's a common solution to relieve pressure.

It's 2024, all up is down and down is up now. Anything goes!!

47 minutes ago, skialex said:

Hope so too… cause I’m coming to central Florida for 2 weeks end of February.
I’m trying to stay in ski shape, but it’s cold now in Greece, hope this will change in the next week. 
had 9 sets in January, which is more than usual 

@skialex

If you have any interest in coming down, day trip or other and skiing Okeeheelee for a day, let me know as you can ski our boat or potentially I can arrange a pull for you. We've got a 2019 200 with a 6.0L.

The water has been around 70 right now and should be 70-74 by then. Most folks are just wearing tank tops under vests.

We have an apartment you can stay in if you were overnighting, that one I have to check and make sure msscoke doesn't have someone else scheduled in it.

Let me know. or Next trip!

This has "THREAD OF THE YEAR POTENTIAL" and delivers!

Too bad the OP won't be sharing video of what is to come. Unless he will?!

Smells like lots of "junk buoys" being run in here. 

The opposite of modern business coaching, sports psychology and positive mental approaches pushing for the next level and honest personal accountability.

Modern terms which could be read up on, deployed or  other:

• Deliberate practice
• Clarity of execution
• Floor of performance
• Feedback loop evaluation process

Well the issue is if it's ever been skied on, touched a wood platform or whacked during mounting boots, the warranty is voided!

Otherwise, it's a reverse break or you're somehow at fault!!!

@DW

yes I did an edit as it was 5mm rear left foot rotated toes. (Not 5cm as I typoed)
 

one of the posters is lff and rotated his rear left as well which is the opposite of what most folks do. 
 

Also, I’ve got a reply for you in the thin tailed skis and dft. Just need to type it up. 

Been there and done that. Had an Acme 422 that we bent the tip on. Sent it to Acme for a rework as we ran it on a 196 with the 343 motor and zero off.

That boat was never the same with that prop and the prop was never the same. You could sense something was "off" or otherwise. I called Acme and they admitted that the prop will never be the same as it is. It's laser cut and the tips and cup of those props is laser thin.

Heck, I think a high hour acme prop does not feel the same as a brand new one. 

I had a 99 Sportstar for 3 years. Hell of an awesome boat. If I'm in your shoes, i'm putting an OJ or another equivalent prop on it and testing that.

What color is your boat? I see your in Texas, where did the boat come out of?

4 hours ago, skihart said:

@lpskier This is interesting as i ski somewhat bowlegged as well as a LFF.  I recently rotated my rear boot so my toes are to the left more in an effort to get my rear knee more lined up behind my front knee.

I have considered doing the front boot move to the right but figured that was crazy but perhaps it isnt if it works for you.

My goal is to balance my off side turn to my onside. 

Unless I am misunderstanding, you might be backwards. Quite a few RFF skiers who run buoys cant the toes/rear shell front about  5mm to the left. Especially in powershells.

Reason being:

At the top of the gate it allows for the left leg to be straighter pressing the COM over the balance point of the ski.

Allows for a total clean alignment without squatting on the ski.

Allows for the left hip to be "kicked out" at the top of the gate. 

246: easier for that left hip to open towards the shore as the ski breaks outbound on the second spray. "Back to the buoy" feeling

At the top of 246, left edge of the ski has more pressure, pressing it out and now allowing it be brought under the rope before leaning.

If you're running clean, consistent and strong buoys with the toe the wrong direction while improving year over year, more power to ya!

Edit: good catch LPskier, 5mm  

good to see you posting. hopefully not from the hospital. 

Doesn't look like you got an overwhelming list of solutions on this website.

Why not rely on a site sponsor and professional coach?

@Dano Great work Dano!!  You are spot on as it sounds like your fundamentals have improved. If your fundamentals are cleaner and stronger, you WILL taste it:

Took some time but I think I'm on the right track.   My scores are up, consistency is way up, and my body is pain free. 

Here is more information for you and you were close on the quote:

Pulling versus leaning.

Perfect Pass, our muscle and mass was the power source.

Zero Off, the boat is the power source. Our job is to get into postion and be ready to move.

Hence why arm skiers, pullers and too heavy to height ratios get absolutely crushed while typically breaking at the waste, shoulders are tilted and they are fighting the boat. This leads to lots of issues of inconsistency and chasing their tails while “working on the gate” or jumping on the latest hyped ski.

This is a fundamental issue when skiing zero off.

“Loose and Lean”

We’re really supposed to be acting as a lever in the zero off era. Need power? Apply more throttle. Visualize a throttle with a cable attached toward near the top of it. The cable is our shoulders-arms and then our body is the level. Lean to turn add power to the throttle. Second spray out, we’re vertical but still connected and we have turn off the power while the boat has swung us out to the buoy line and we are “free but connected” to the boat through our connectors, the hands-arm.

Legs vs arms:

“Power and pull” The arm skiers. Usually guys will be stuck at 4@32 or 1@35. It’s pretty common as they are using the wrong  power source, their bodies are tense, they’re fighting the boat and their mind is in chaos to run buoys and you’ll see things like:

·         Top of gate, they have a big bow in the rope (typically squatting on the ski)

·         Arms are bent across the boat (pulling!!)

·         Hips drag or they lose alignment as soon as they hit the bounce or any disturbance in the wake.

·         Out to the buoy line, the COM will be over their rear heal.

·         They have a big sweeping turn using their arms, not their legs. The arms will be doing all the work vs the legs.

·         They will turn the ski with their shoulder and come out of the buoy tilted with the hips/COM dragging cross the boat.

The majority of the above will never really run 35, leads to a boat load of inconsistency and 6 months of head scratching through each season.

If you talk to the loose and leaners, you ask them, “are your muscles clenched?” they’ll answer, “I don’t know.” Or “no”. If you ask a puller (squatter too), they’ll say “yes, so sore, jacked up etc etc”.

The difference is a puller is grabbing a barbell in the gym and firing-contracting all their muscles as they are trying to be a power source. Then they lock up their muscles and hips and can’t actively move on the ski.

A leaner is trying to elongate their muscles while having them loose not contracted. This gives them the advantage to swing and move.

Perfect pass: Our muscles were fired to be the power source.

Zero off: our muscles are firing to hold position for short durations then we move on the ski.

Really buoys are run through movement, not power.

So all this above was my reference and relation to skiing with the arms vs legs with a little backstory of zero off vs perfect pass. Again, my perspective is a fishbowl of Okeeheelee just watching skiers for 12 months of the year show up, “ski” and bang their heads while “having fun”.

Dano, May 26^th post:

https://ballofspray.com/forums/topic/51731-fix-my-stack/#comment-851927

Each Pass, Different set of keys but clear keys which can’t be broken, January 4^th:

https://ballofspray.com/forums/topic/31479-10-things-to-shorten-the-trip-from-zero-to-32-off/page/2/#comment-844917

Thank you for posting. Cool to see the next generation of Mens 3 on the podium. Those guys are all getting after it!!

Interesting stat as this "might" be the first Men3 finish without a Goode on the podium, ever?

Mens4, not so much!

In general, the 67" probably needs to be in the range of:

6.760-6.767

2.496-2.502

.704-.711

9-10 degrees.

Suspect the 66" is not that far off on the numbers too. 

The thin tailed CC skis are much more finicky with DFT then the previous generations. Oddly my 68" CC, which is a completely different shape, i've got to be around .706 (or 2.553 full measurement) or the ski goes to hell. 

Does anyone have a picture of the men’s 3 podium from this years nationals?? I’ve got men’s 4 but didn’t get to see men’s 3!

Thank  you. 

Understood. Last post but it’s interesting as someone is critiquing and criticizing other people’s work and has the reading comprehension of a lab rat while not willing to do any work that was offered. 
 

You’ve  said many times, don’t criticize others and the work and energy people put into words. 
 

I’m apologizing , sorry if my offer hit a nerve on your insecurities. My offer stands if you want to come ski and we build new graphics together. 

@vtmecheng

Interesting prospective. Let me give you some back story.
 

the author of those graphics is a professional engineer and successful mechanical engineer. The graphs are rooted in bending moment diagrams based on load and moments. They are fantastic actually. 
 

his graphs were built after my graphs were built. I took a different approach and had a wider audience with my graphs and were even more simplified. 
I interview ~10 big dawgs and 35off or better skiers in 2007-2009 to develop my  graphs. He narrowed the audience and built them for technical folks. 
 

my write up and graphs were posted on Schnitz skis for years. 
 

are you available to help me test data for these DI engines? What line length and speed do you run? Do you have access to a variety of boats? Would you like to come down to Okeeheelee to test data for the Gen3 graphs? Do you have the ability to load the data in Tableau or PowerBi? I’m open to using excel. 
 

Look forward to you helping and being a core part of a team with their own energy  for the community!!

I’ll be on standby checking my engineering degree to see if it’s only a 6th grade vs 7th grade. 

It was 2014. 
 

said truck was parked in MM’s driveway until he drove it to be turned in Sunday night in New Orleans. 
 

hence the charge of “falsifying government documents” as he wrote the seizure of the truck took place in New Orleans and documented the confiscation  took place in Houston.  It wasn’t “by the book” and let the manual. 
 

Vs a full seized and turned in to the Houston field office.