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I've been thinking about buying a summer  house on a lake up north. this would qualify as it is north of I-10.

Is this on "lake 4" or "3" or what? How close to the Saxmaster's old house?

We've got a new style 200 with the 6.0L. Best skiing Nautique we've owned.

Our 2014 white boat was the best driving but the single puck isn't built for the 5.7engine.

The 6.0L with the multi-port is sweeeet. Lots of lean and swing. Out of 7-10 Nautiques we've owned (quit counting), this is the best skiing one.

Come ski it anytime over at Okeeheelee, @MitchellM

@SlalomSteve

You’re exactly correct and should be confused as words have very specific meaning.

Very cool that you’re asking the right questions.

And that’s the difference in arm skiing versus leg skiing. My previous posts I talked about skiers owning 35 off and beyond, really ski with their legs while their arms are just attachments. They bend their arms, they don’t pull with their arms. 
Think ski pressure-tension versus line tension through our hands. Two different things. This was in several episodes of the spraymakers podcast. 

But heres the catch, in the pictures of the pro’s (typically), they are standing up through their legs, they are coming balanced and centered through their legs, while BENDING their arms. 
They are NOT pulling themselves up over their skis 100% with their arms but working the line tension in conjunction with the ski pressure through the legs with bent arms.

Remember, the arms are just an extension of the pylon-rope. NOT our throttle nor our gas pedal. Remember back in the day Karina used to talk about “not breaking the icicle” of the rope? She never pulled her arms in as that breaks the (changes) line tension.

Hence why I am so heavy-hard on the squat&pullers as they are actually arm skiing everywhere never firing their legs to generate pressure, hold pressure, release pressure. And as a result, they pull their COM forward and aft on the ski the entire time versus loose and lean against the boat letting the ski slip through the water. 

Which is why, all the video of the S&P’ers, they are hunched over, squatting at the top of the gate, riding the tail, nearly going out the front while losing all sense of ski slip efficiency and degradation of energy, while pulling themselves across the course. No matter how much they fight to "hold stack" (bunk), they never will be able to hold the energy as it's built up in their upper body, not their lower body. 

Do the opposite: stand up on the ski, lean over the edge with loose arms, bend the arms keeping connection out to the buoy while using the legs to swing wide out around the buoy.
 

YMMV, JMO, ICW, DIRM, DNT100%, IDRGAF.

mom let me use her Tandy this morning so i can post properly.

pretty cool you are shooting video, somewhat asking for feedback and evolving.

Squatting & Pulling is the #1 block to owning 32 off and beyond. It makes 22 and 28 a battle.

This is squatting:

This is Pulling (with arms): 

My last one broke so I am on my second one. 

Very pleased with it as we have 3 cats and need to go to the vet all the time.

Absolutely, go for it!! Can you take video?

There is a reason the saying is "yes you can teach old dogs new tricks!"

You're alignment is decent but your concept of action is incorrect. We can all have the best intentions but if our actions are the opposite of what they need to be, we'll fall apart. OR we’ll be stuck on a pass banging the wall.

Meaning, if you get a world class gate but are letting go with the wrong hand at 1 ball, all is lost and it's a dead end. It's so obvious with some of the advice on here in other threads. You must fix the big rock, how you lean against the boat. Have you ever really work on your lean position by definition? 

Once you move in for the gate, you've got to have semblance of proper fundamentals. If not, the folks coaching an ideal gate only are wasting your time but with good intentions. (Current gate is fine for 22 and not what’s holding you back)  

Pretty consistent theme for the "stackers" to be fighting their own bodies. Basically your concept of your “how to get into a leveraged position" is all jacked up.

It's really not that hard as currently you are squatting on the ski. Probably from years of being told "bend your kneeeeeeesss!!"

1) Stand up on the ski. Should be a natural position, DON’T press into your feet as it drives you hips/COM back.

2) Don't generate energy by using your arms. aka DON'T PULL ON THE ROPE. Loosen your arms up and know ZO is going to do the work.

3) Literally, loose arms, lean OVER the edge of your ski NOT lean BACK OVER THE FIN block and let the ski slip through the water. Guarantee you won't die and your alignment will be much cleaner. (you're actually not leaning over the fin block like the majority of the S&P'ers do and are already setup for success on this concept).

Right now you are a "Squat and Puller" which is rooted in the two things of "trying to stack" and "bend your knees". You've got to do the opposite.

Well dang, I was going to page @jhughes to the squat and puller courtesy phone. @jhughes, already picked up line 1! He's got credibility as he reformed himself a few years back. Props!!!

Props to you for putting up video and putting yourself out there as well. 

What the heck is wrong with my fonts? I'm posting from my jitterbug phone and it looks fine.

@aupatking

How has the skiing been in training or tournaments? Any new video? 

Classic thread derailment for the OP's original intention lol

That’s great that you posted video. It takes courage to put yourself out there. 
 

you’re putting “4” in the books but would you be able to run 6?  Are your fundamentals strong enough to even cut it to 35?

Just my free opinion after watching the video,  putting energy into working on the edge change is going to be an extremely low ROE activity and not your big rock holding you back. 
 

it’s all about fundamentals and we have to reevaluate them for every pass. 
 

32 is where the squat and pull starts to hit the wall.

A skier can have all the best "stack" in the world but if their go-to move to generate ski slip through the water is pulling and squatting to get more energy or load, their "stack" is going to break down. It mechanically/physically has to break down due to the physics as the body can't hold the energy. 

related note, "stack" is probably the worst word to describe it. stack is a static, vertical, rigid word. you stack cinder blocks, bricks etc. a column is "stacked" and vertical.

Alignment. that's the real word as it's dynamic, ever changing, using your muscle to keep or get back to alignment. while our shoulders are against the boat and we are not vertical but elongated at an angle relative to the water.

Most skiers i have seen that talk and think in stack, are crushed, "tall" over the water, not really leaning but they are fighting to be stacked!!

For clarity, we're talking spray to spray here.

Post video please? 

Twhispers video: WOW. That is one of the best videos out there with quite a few elements which are very hard to describe.

My point in my text, if you are squatting and pulling, the video starting at the 1:02 mark, flat out will not work. Look how clean loose and aligned he is at 1:05? 

Dang, I need to send Twhisper more video of my deep water starts and see what he thinks. I missed one the other day.

im so hot to trot right right now. some yummy potential action.

I  can't find a running order?? Can someone provide a link, PDF, post a jpeg or other??? 

You've been pretty active in my discussions but never stepped up to the plate. i should hire you as my attorney.

@rockdog

After further investigation, the OP is not a shill but, young and naïve. Probably more likely a fangirl. 

Might work for mastercraft or is an orlando skier too.

But otherwise, 6,000 views of 1 thread in 5 days!! wowsas! 

THE CLICKING BUSINESS IS GOOD!

smells like skifly up in here with a new user, with no personal contact information, no credibility, passionately, emotionally fighting anyone who disagrees with them while having only 13 posts.

manon is that you?

On 4/22/2023 at 11:29 AM, lpskier said:

@ski6jones I couldn’t agree more. Training plans are key. I pull lots of skiers and usually ask “What’s your plan for this set?” before they hop in.  90% of the skiers, the answer is some variation of “What do you mean?” 
 

@503Kento I worked a long time on keeping my elbows pinned to the vest into the buoy, particularly on my off side. Now I learn that is causing me to ski straighter to the buoy than I’d like at short line. 
 
But wait!! You have to have your elbows in!

Bring your center mass to your elbows not your elbows to your center mass, and you do this by keeping your chest up off the second wake. 

Holy smokes. Your above post probably went by so many folks and is one of the most highly valued posts in this thread.

Thank you so much for posting this as it's an euraka moment for me and something I don't do nor is in my script: Bring your center mass to your elbows not your elbows to your center mass, and you do this by keeping your chest up off the second wake.

I've been watching a ton of videos and scratching my head "how" to do a couple of finishing positions for shortline. I think that above is a milestone in the process. For clarity, I agree with chest up but if you don't drive those hips "out" or "forward" the chest alone isn't good enough for 38/39+. Chest only is probably good through 35.

The comment about elbows pinning to vest. This one is hilarious. I've "argued" with quite a few 4@32-2@35 guys who harp on doing this while they create a hinge, break at the waist and ski straight to the buoys. Meanwhile, not progressing any further.

I am all about having a clean, clear script of action, but too many skiers lose sight of "when & where" they are supposed to be doing things. It's almost hilarious when their ego kicks while flailing about.

Sometimes it's unintentional!!

6 hours ago, JayShower said:

Thanks everyone for the tips! Flights are cheaper than I thought (at least right now).

Also I’m not sure I understand how qualification works. On the usawaterski rankings site for nationals qualifications, the COA for slalom is 85.67. My rank value is below that, but if I increase my LCQ High Rank Value by skiing in tournaments this summer above that would I be qualified?

someone will be along but it looks like men’s 1 the cutoff is around 2@28 off or so? 
 

basically, you’ll need to see 2 ball or better probably consistently to be qualified. (It might be 4 ball). 

Reading my post I never found I used the word “stubborn”. 
 

More than likely used fixed mindset vs growth mindset. Probably should have use more words about a skiers ego, fear of failure, lack of belief in their coaches, lack of belief in themselves, lack of accountability, lack of faith in the process, lack of persona accountability, lack of trust. 
 

stubborn, that’s a victim word or blame word I don’t use versus  personal accountability  with action. Sorry. 
 

hence why if you look at the standard bell curve of total skiers scores, “average” it’s about 2-3@32 off or so. Mid-pack, there’s nothing wrong with that  

This is a mental sport of high accountability. Not a sport of gear solutions, physical and silver bullets of technique.
 

 Until a skier realizes it, they’ll be average and stuck for years. 

How silly!

wonder if that was the optimized rope from 2020 or a S-Lines?

squat and pull baby!

october 14:
https://ballofspray.com/forums/topic/36370-long-lineshort-line-are-they-really-that-different/page/2/#comment-822955

August 21:
https://ballofspray.com/forums/topic/50608-how-to-keep-ski-on-edge-thru-the-wakes/#comment-839551

July 27:
https://ballofspray.com/forums/topic/50487-building-consistency-gradual-speed-increase-question/#comment-837815

https://ballofspray.com/forums/topic/49146-congratulations-jhughes-first-nationals-via-a-pb-at-regionals/#comment-445815

25 minutes ago, Dano said:

I'm curious to see where this conversation goes.  Hortons comment  is very relatable to me.  I've been working to improve  and I have some thoughts on how to get there but I'm hoping maybe there will be some great tips here.

SQUAT AND PULLERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!!! (while throwing a fist while squatting over the fin block with bent arms) 

Seriously, I've posted 3-5 replies in threads about this concept versus "loose and lean, fight your mind, dance with the boat. let the ski slip through the water. DONT pull yourself across the course." ZERO OFF.

Back in the day, perfect PASS and the hand driving, SQUAT and PULL was the name of the game. Those guys are stuck now and very stubborn. They'll make all kinds of excuses or fight you. Meanwhile, they aren't running any new buoys.

Unfortunately, with the website update, the search feature doesn't go back after September of 2022 by author. I would provide links to the threads with quite a bit of breakdown but alas.

Now that I am down from 240lbs, folks have let me ride in the boat, dang IPA's. 

My above statements I put to the eye test on every skier (but not judging them verbally or other) but seeing if the theories held true.

Sure enough, all of the above held true as I saw all of the above. Classic pattern recognition. 

I got a couple of deep water starts in and a few of the items applied to myself as well. 

Still true.

But isn't that why we keep coming back? Why do we really ski? 

What a blast from the past. 57 years ago! Wow that's like a different sport and different era. Very cool, thanks for sharing.

Just curious, why compare to photos 57 years ago at a nearly different sport versus video or photos from last season? What's the strategy here?

It certainly makes us appreciate usawaterski.org, our membership fees and volunteers.

Meanwhile for the moomba website and live stream fiasco:

If the company I worked for would have rolled that total system out, we would have been fired.

If I was a sponsor and paid money for that, I would be looking to terminate the contract. I would also be looking for a decision maker to hold accountable.

But it looks like Correct Craft and Brian Sullivan et. al approve of that level of quality and representing them! Surprising as that is not the "Ski Nautique" of the past in quality and communication.

He's still the best skier in the world and probably the best slalom skier ever. Amazing win.

Navigating the website for live scoring and then the webcast. It's like it was from a second world country or a high school IT team. Laughable.  So grateful for what we have in the US for waterskiresults.com, TWBC and others supporting the sport.