ForrestGump

I don't know why you keep throwing me out there. If you've got something to say, say it. I think I asked a valid question on what the background checks are looking for and why some of those things matter. We're not asking judges to count money as a bank teller.

Your response is great. But none of the clarifications by the leadership on judges requirements deal with the blanket transfer of liability to the LOCs.

 

And I'll ask again. why does someone getting a DWI 5 years ago or getting convicted of petty theft mean jack all to being able to count buoys?

 

I think you are comparing apples to oranges when comparing a for profit company like Planet Fitness to a Not For Profit entity such as USAWS.

 

@ALPJr You're the one who brought up the number of sanctioned tournaments in the West as as an indicator that there is no issue. You can't say that and then tell me that the lack of tournaments elsewhere is not an indicator.

@ALPJr Just looked at the schedule for each region. Yes, Western has a sh$t ton scheduled. Southern has 8 total. Eastern has 4 total. South Central has a big ass goose egg. None.

Whether you agree with someone or not, being glad that any longstanding member of the community might be leaving is just childish.

I for one don't give a sh$t if my driver or judge in a waterski tournament once got arrested for burglary of a building at 21yo. WTF cares.

Bruce, you have not heard a rational reason because there is no rational reason. This somewhat reminds me of JP Seers skit on life jackets. Which is technically aimed at masks, but applies here too. lol.

 

@ToddL I manage learning for a company with 6000 employees and 20,000 resellers. The cost to do what you suggest with the awareness video can be absolutely massive. It's very simplistic to say "just develop a 10 minute awareness course." It's not the video content production itself that is costly. That is mice nuts. It's the learning management system costs and integration to be able to track who consumes what for compliance purposes. You can't just throw a piece of content on youtube and let it fly in todays age. You need an LMS to house the content, allow users to log in, be tracked, and then have that tracking integrated and communicated to your own back office so you know who has consumed what and when. LMS systems bill per user or per course. It's fairly easy to rack up a million dollars in LMS costs. One of SS's benefits to the overall community of sports orgs is that they average those LMS costs and development costs for their content across all sports orgs, not just waterskiing.

SafeSport Officer. This sounds a lot like what would happen in Russia or China.

In BMX or Road Cycling, if you coach a clinic or you accept money for coaching, you have to become a USA Cycling certified coach.

 

Any pro skier should be required to become a certified USAWS coach with a certain time frame. Give them 6 months and then don't pass scores to the rankings until they do.

 

@lpskier You're inferring that because the center of the waterski universe is like that, the entire country will be like that.

@Bruce_Butterfield Don't we all..............

All that equals less revenue to USAWaterski. So they lose, too. I don't disagree that it's the skiers that lose no matter what.

Gonna be really interesting to see what the judges rosters look like in March when people are starting to prepare for the spring and summer tournaments. Oh well. USAWS dug this hole. Let them dig their way out.

I didn't take what jayski posted and the responses to be that we need more financial help.

Looks like USAC made some changes since I reupped last time for road racing. For 2022 to be a referee or judge you have to be SS and BG checked for a road race. And if you are a motor driver driving chase or neutral rollout you have to have a drivers background check done(which is not new and I agree with). But that still doesn't apply to BMX under USA Cycling, where the only one required to have SS and BG checked is a licensed coach and the track operator. None of the other volunteers do(like corner marshals, scorer, timer, starter, etc). Nor does the person actually running/promoting the race.

The background check is pure and utter bull$hit. It does absolutely nothing. I get it in BMX where a coach has to be present at a track for any sanctioned clinics. But in waterski? Does USAWS even have a coaches program?

To be a USAC/BMX coach, I had to get background checked, get Red Cross cert, and do SS

To be a USAC BMX Track Operator I had to be background checked

To be a USAC official, I had to learn the rule book and take a test

To be a USA BMX official/Scorer, I had to learn the rule book and show up

To be a USAC racer, I had to do nothing but pay my yearly fee

 

So whatever the generic cya language is, that's what I had to do. I don't have to renew my coaches license until next year and 2021 was my last year as a track operator. So unless there have been changes since I submitted last year, that's how it was.

I'm a USA Cycling member, official, and a USA BMX track operator and coach. You can be both. so there is no delineation there. They do require anyone coaching, managing, or training athletes or a junior team to be SS trained. You want to be a coach or trainer? Or do cycling camps? Or run a team? Yep.

 

But they do not require members or officials that work/manage races to be SS trained or background checked. So yes, the cycling doesn't have to do it argument does carry water. And yes, most races will have junior classes.

And yet USA Cycling doesn't require any of this for their members or officials. Only coaches. What am I missing here? I do know USA Cycling only has a paltry 110,000 participants. Wait, how many does USA Waterski have again?

WORD ^^^^^^^

Connelly is the best. They've given me a ski before, sent me banners for tournaments, and provided skis to auction off at regionals.

67 Goode XTR for sale. Can sell with Size 10 left Reflex classic with 750 release and micro-adjust + Size 10 rear right Reflex R Style.

 

XTR blank $700

XTR + bindings $1000