matthewbrown

Easy on the porn, or at least don't watch it together.

Heal fast old man

you are correct, pretty much all shoulders and no hips, just like the rest of us excluding nate.....also, that had to be 39 for Nate

@wish I understand what you are saying. i think terry and i are keeping the handle a bit closer to our mass whereas @klundell has his arms out which makes his upper body come in towards the boat. i would also say that my butt is way back in that shot and @klundell has his much more centered which is the idea...@acmx I think it's a timing issue if you look at klundell he is really good when he lets go of the handle into one ball but then as the ski comes around the shoulders start to lead the hips, and the hips forget to follow in line. i think just being aware of this will allow klundell to consciously make sure he moves his hips in with his shoulders simultaneously

actually, now that I've watched it again I think your gate was about as good as you could ask for...the biggest problem happens at the finish of 1 ball, that is the point where the hips die and fall behind...this is not a symptom of a bad gate, it's just a symptom of not keeping the hips moving through the finish of the turn...... as @shaneh had mentioned, hips then stay back into 2,4 which causes the ski to stall through and out of the 2,4 turn......your hips are right over the ski in the gate turn, just copy that going in and out of 2,4......i still think the driver needs to keep it a little straighter

putting more pressure on your right arm into one ball is not what you should be worrying about...sorry @wish ....rather, as @davelemons said, don't drop your butt back......your turn in for the gate was great and your hips moved well until that point but as soon as your butt dropped back you never got back into position....you were all shoulders/upper body the entire remainder of the pass with your hips completely static....keeping your hips from falling back at the start will eliminate a lot, however, the fact that the boat driver is moving into you 9 to 12 inches at 2, 4 could be a big reason why you are unable to get things moving out of that turn

Smooth is for private lakes with perfect familiar conditions, but when you have the following: wind, glare, rollers, new site, different boat, different driver, different time zone, travel expenses, body stiffness, bad food---it's called--- get er done

@hamwallace 6.700 in length?

@liquidd ....one shot of jack and all the numbers come together nicely.

@skimech if you told me there was a female who could run 39 whom we've never heard of, I'd tell you that you should check some of the other 100 variables that could of come into play to give you this misconception. Rope/Handle length being the first two variables. But, when you tell me that this female who spins 39's for a living can not run 32, well then I stand by my original statement, wrong batch of shrooms.

I think perhaps you ate some of the wrong mushrooms...

Asher and Nate are so athletic, so you never know

@wilecoyote I'm not saying it's impossible, just improbable....too damn short, hence the nodd to Parrish because of his length

Not sure how many times we need to revisit this discussion but if the boat drives straight as an arrow, no one will get past a full 2 buoys.....if the boat path gets the max out of the tolerance and the rope too, on a perfect site with perfect conditions, then we may see 2 1/4 or possibly a half but no way no how with everything dead nuts on.....Parrish is the best bet for a piece of 3 b/c of his length

@horton that was impressive, impressive that the goggles stayed on after that 4 ball.

A for effort, F for content

@horton I completely agree with your statement...except for the part where you say "the more your pelvis and sternum are pointed to the right, the wider you will be"--actually I take that back, I actually agree with that part as well but the problem is do you still want to be aggressively fighting for outbound direction when you are 15 feet past the second wake? When you and I sat in the judges tower at the Gold Rush tourney we both witnessed most skiers with aggressive leans well passed the second wake. As the line became really short, we also saw these skiers flip from cutting edge to turning edge all in one movement, essentially transferring there perpendicular direction to parallel too drastically. We only saw one skier who did things differently, one skier who was using the physics of this sport perfectly. Because Nate Smith had more speed into the first wake he was able to start coming up out of his cut earlier than everyone else. It also was much more gradual. It looked like a long drawn out edge change because it was. There is a difference between un-weighting the ski while simultaneously leaning against the boat vs. still pushing on the ski and leaning against the boat. On a related note, probably wrong thread but I know you were talking about it…..one of the problems with right arm pressure into one ball is that it makes for the rebound effect because it means you undoubtedly are still on your cutting edge fighting for angle rather than riding the natural arc of the line. The other problem, albeit a little sneakier is that when your shoulders are turned towards the shore, it is harder to balance the load as it is being distrubuted over a narrower area tangent to the load, whereas if your shoulders were more open to the boat, you would have a broader platform enabling greater stability. So, back arm pressure does not mean get all twisted up and lift your lead shoulder up and in towards the pull(you still want to be right of your center of mass). It just means having a square platform for handling the load in the most efficient way. Can Mapple still run 41 all day long by burying his lead shoulder after the wakes, yes……but, that’s not the question…the question is how much better would he be if he didn’t do that?

My first thought is to stay up and open in the gate turn while staying in alignment moving my hips and shoulders inside the carving arc. As the line gets tight ideally I’m trying to move my mass ahead with my hips and knees as my shoulders stay open and I try to apply as much pressure as possible on my trailing arm(left arm) into one ball. The rest happens naturally all on it’s own. You can see the ski accelerate as soon as the second hand gets back on the handle and pressure is applied. If you try to apply pressure on the lead arm(right arm into one ball) you will not get the same acceleration as your body becomes static and is not able to be dynamic. Unfortunately, as the line gets shorter this becomes harder and harder to execute unless your last name is Smith. Trailing arm pressure is the most efficient and effective way to ski, it’s just that none of us were taught this and when we do try it, it usually is not done correctly. I figure if I can perfect it at 32, then I could do it on 5 out of 6 turns at 35, 4 out of 6 at 38, 3 out of 6 at 39..etc…

@bruce_butterfield nice observation with the eyes. @horton I do think the eyes level are a byproduct of body mechanics. also, watching someone else do this technique like Terry Winter and Marcus Brown has helped engrain it in my head and remind me that I still have a long way to go.

My first thought is to stay up and open in the gate turn while staying in alignment moving my hips and shoulders inside the carving arc. As the line gets tight ideally I’m trying to move my mass ahead with my hips and knees as my shoulders stay open and I try to apply as much pressure as possible on my trailing arm(left arm) into one ball. The rest happens naturally all on it’s own. You can see the ski accelerate as soon as the second hand gets back on the handle and pressure is applied. If you try to apply pressure on the lead arm(right arm into one ball) you will not get the same acceleration as your body becomes static and is not able to be dynamic. Unfortunately, as the line gets shorter this becomes harder and harder to execute unless your last name is Smith. Trailing arm pressure is the most efficient and effective way to ski, it’s just that none of us were taught this and when we do try it, it usually is not done correctly. I figure if I can perfect it at 32, then I could do it on 5 out of 6 turns at 35, 4 out of 6 at 38, 3 out of 6 at 39..etc…

@AB I am unsure of what you mean....I was using the jaws end

@gloersen your fin is way too short, try 6.860. also is way too far back, try .775

@gloersen where are your bindings at on that ski and what size is it? That ski wants you all over the center of it but you are way on the tail from the very beginning. Get over it, and it will move for ya--

thanks @AB but I think this video will show a much greater example of keeping the ski moving, enabling it to cast out wide...@horton notice how stacked he his out of 1,3,5 and how quickly the ski moves from the right side of his body, to the left, whereas in my video my butt was slightly back and the ski movement was a little slower....obviously he was perfected that movement but it all stems from his ability to be in perfect position at the finish of the 1,3,5 turn and move the ski through immediately...sometimes it can be too much though causing the upper body to slightly fall behind in the transition, he is skiing better now and if I remember correctly we were tweaking his ski every set so he didn't have it where he wanted it for the 2,4 turn.

@mrjones there are many ways to skin a cat, however, physics would dictate that there is only one way that will be most efficient(yes, you did beat me head to head in TX...dammnit) @horton ...... the question you are asking is, what do you have to do physically to make the most efficient seemless transition from cutting edge to turning edge while maintaining the optimal path to the next buoy? I like your idea but I think you are missing the point. It seems like you are trying to manufacture your answer while disregarding the other variables in play, or variables that have already gone sideways. What are some of the variables that would cause you to have a hard edge change? Pulling too long so that by the time you edge change, the load is released all at once due to the tangent forces. Ass back in cut, blocking the skis movement separating arms from vest. Ski shooting out too far in front without your center of mass keeping up. Legs too stiff, stacked but too far on the back of the ski. The list goes on and on but never once is it as simple as pulling too hard. My point is that if you are moving toward the wakes in a dynamic stacked position with your ankles flexed forward, hips completely centered over your ski aligned with your shoulders, and are starting your edge change at centerline you wont have to worry about hard edge changes because they can’t happen. I'm not saying that your technique wouldn't help you to get in a better body position behind the boat. But, I think at that point when you tell yourself to keep your vision up...it's merely a band-aid approach to correct something else that has already gone awry.