@mwetskier, @Drago, @Wish, @GOODESkier Yes you are all correct. I like my gloves so I'll try my finger tips and lighter grip. I'll play with letters and numbers on ZO. So far I've used A2 and B2, prefer A2. I'll choose more combinations. My hookup was more sever when I was on a Strada so I switched to D3 Fusion, much better. I was fine all year until the last month on Zero Off this Fall. I worked every day during the winter months with P/T for the elbow, it was gone by spring. More P/T this winter.