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One change I’d like to see is automatically indexing down to the last read reply. Instead of having to scroll to the bottom and counting up the number of unread posts.

@BS74 as @Killer said. If there’s a tie, it’ll be run off according to the rules. If one skier happened to set the score 2 days earlier, that is what it is. My point several posts ago is the IWWF rule book is largely written to administer the “World champs”. The officials on-site have limited ability to vary from those rules but it would be very rare. Remember there is a protest procedure for failure to follow any rule (numbered rule found in the rule book).

@BS74 all the specifics are included in the IWWF rule book. Approximately half of this tile book deals specifically with the administration of “World” championship tournaments. http://www.iwsf.com/rules/2021/World%20Waterski%20Rules%202021-V3.pdf

Regarding course adjustments … @mike_mapple comment above reminded me of a conversation I had with Andy once. He said that for every 1” lower you make the buoys is roughly equivalent to making the course 4” narrower. That said (and potentially safety concerns aside, adjusting the buoys 1-2” higher (or making them bigger) would have an effect on making the course wider. Same thing, lowering them another 1-2” would make running 39 and shorter “easier”. Obviously there’s a practical limit. Not necessarily advocating for that solution but my point is there are other things that can have an effect.

@UWSkier good points. Since there is only one skier (each for men and women) who currently hold the record and ties are rare …ls there really a problem? If there were 3, 5, 10 (or whatever) all tied at one score it might be a different discussion.

Now that elite athletes make up 33% of the committees and board. Is this the perfect subject for them to weigh in on and leverage their votes? Not too long ago a top ranked trick skier and former record holder floated an idea where trick scores should be calculated ‘per judge’. Meaning if 3 of 5 judges said “credit”, then the skier got 60% of the points and so on. It would make setting a trick record much more difficult but it would also tend to improve the “quality” of the skiing. It doesn’t correlate directly to slalom except that there are some interesting thoughts out there. If I recall, @drew had circulated some very detailed ideas in what to do with slalom course/rope dimensions and some explanation of the relative challenges of each idea.

“Ski school weave”. Makes sense to always keep the “students” motivated and happy! I don’t see a problem with any of it in practice of it improves the skiers skills.

For the record, here are the relevant rules (these are AWSA rules since the language is a bit more clear but the specifics are the same in the IWWF rules. 8.06 A Fall A fall in any event is when any one of the following occurs: A. The skier loses possession of the tow line (except as noted in Rules 9.11, 10.11 and 11.11); or B. The skier does not have at least one ski on one foot; or C. The weight of the skier is not primarily supported by his ski or skis, and in addition the skier is unable ultimately to regain skiing position. If the skier does not lose possession of the tow line, has at least one ski on at all times, and ultimately regains skiing position, there has been no fall. 8.07 Skiing Position Skiing position is defined as that position in which all of the following exist: A. The skier has possession of the tow line; and B. The skier is riding forward or backward on the water with a ski or skis on his feet; and C. The weight of the skier is supported by his ski or skis or the skier is ultimately able to regain control. Think of it this way, if somehow (longer line?) he was able to get to #4 or beyond, his score would continue to add buoys. Just because he was momentarily “not supported” by his ski is irrelevant. Trick skiers do dips all the time which is The same. Years ago, Patrice Martin bounced on the water with his foot in the toe strap for 4-5 seconds before he was able to stand back up and do more tricks. Jumpers obviously are t supported by their skis in the and many times a weird landing will pull off a ski and/or cause them to bounce along the water only to ultimately get the ski back under them and stand up. The jump counts. It sure was incredible to watch).

@Kelvin thanks for the clarification

@Kelvin i don’t agree. You are correct that his ski (front binding) made it outside the buoy and into the 1/4 zone. Then left the water. While he was sliding on his side his front foot made it into the 1/2 buoy zone. Then he stood up and was able to get “inside” the boat gates. By definition he “ultimately regained skiing position”. And his ski (front foot) met all the requirements for the 1/4 and 1/2 buoy. So I think the score of 1 is correct.

@swbca thanks for the video. To answer your question - yes, if he slid on his side from where he did on this video THRU the gates (before the far side gate buoy) THEN regained skiing position he would have been scored the full buoy (like he was here). You could argue that his front foot needs to be “inside” the buoy regardless of its in the air or on the water. But the rule is “ultimately able to obtain skiing position.

@jayski i misspoke above, it’s 33-1/3%. It was increased last year by the USOPC from 20%. As for what the boards position would be on athlete participation…. I believe that the USA-WSWS board and the AWSA board would encourage participation from elite athletes to the maximum extent possible/practical. It has been difficult to find enough athletes who can (and will) fill the positions available. Elite athlete input is critical and always carries weight in any discussion. Remember the USA-WAWS board (and committees) are made up of sport division directors and representatives. The AAC is allocated a certain bomber of seats on the board and on committees and is independently responsible to find/select/elect someone to fill the seat. The sport divisions fill/select/elect their representatives per the sort division bylaws and P&P’s.

@RAWSki i agree with you on the open/unmodulated mics. I actually sent a couple text messages about the mic on the dock cam that picked up the waves crashing to shore. It drowned out any other audio. Otherwise I also agree that the webcast was awesome S! It keeps improving!!

@BraceMaker @BS74 not suggesting any position of any elite athlete on their behalf but remember that elite athletes make up 33-1/3%, of the BOD and most committees.

@Mrs_MS can you be a little more specific ? “What was happening”? “Who said it wasn’t happening (whatever “it” is”? PM me if you’d rather.

@BraceMaker … @Stefan and @dave2ball have it right. Jeff and Patti at Silver Spray are NAutique dealers but that shouldn’t connect him to a brand directly. And whoever thinks my comment above about the strength of “the field” currently is “off topic”, I’d sure like to understand why it’s off topic.

@ntx what’s wrong with the Malibu?! With the right conditions slalom scores should be great for the men and the women. I’d suggest that the “pressure at the top” is about as good as it’s been for both men and women this past year. There are several guys who have a legit chance to run 41 any given weekend.

@Horton this whole thread is filled with misinformation, opinion and emotion with little attention paid to just plain operating the organization in a responsible manner. Liability risk is real. The need for various insurance to responsibly manage that risk is real. Whether we align with SafeSport, some other program or we roll our own, doesn’t mean we can just ignore the need to manage our fiduciary responsibilities. Each option has advantages and disadvantages. Every single member has an opportunity to participate in the process to evaluate and help decide which is the best way to run the organization. Almost no one (on this thread certainly) has ever volunteered for a committee or board. Few have even participated in electing those who have volunteered.

“Chasing the Olympic dream lead us down this path.” That comment insinuates that we wouldn’t have to deal withSafeSport (or any(?) of these harassment) issues of it wasn’t for some “Olympic dream” 35+ Years ago. Untrue.

@Horton rhe last two posts from you are EXTREMELY MISLEADING. “A desire to “return to the olympics is NOT a direct reason Safe Sport is part of USAWSWS. You purposely or conveniently left out about 30 years of history and detail.

Mission Inn in Howie in the Hills. Nice spa. Probably full.

Experience alone awith/without information is an assumption. Information alone that hasn’t been proven and used to voice an opinion is misleading or manipulative. And I’d also say that stupidity is an opinion that assumes a fact.

They should be published soon. There were some committee changes that caused some of the delay. The “formula “ hasn’t changed so the results should be predictable as you mentioned above.

@Bruce_Butterfield i was suggesting one potential way the picture exists. Clearly your suggestion of human stupidity is another real option!!

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