What @oldjeep and @XR6Hurricane said with the World Cup gloves, except I like the full finger version. Stumble across these a few years ago and thought since they were so cheap they would not last. Instead, they hold up very well, and have just enough built in padding, never tear out chunks of skin like I did with Kevlar. Had same issue with ML Curves - not enough curve to prevent bunching in the palm. Might try the Radar Ergo because the fit and feel is great for my hands.