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@vtmecheng I certainly understand your frustration / anger with the concept of a brand new boat being pushed further and further away from reality every year a new one comes out. I'm right there with you buddy. But actually, look on the bright side. According to a bunch of these clownfish jokers that hang around here, my 97 TSC1 is just as good as, if not better than, the new boats coming out that cost 4-8 times as much and so actually only an idiot would ever pay those kinds of high prices when they could get all the same functionality from a 23 year old boat at a drastically lower price. So actually, the fact you and I don't have money is a good thing because that is saving us from being one of those suckers who pays tons of money for a brand new boat when the old ones were actually better!! Just imagine how we would be getting "ripped off" on these new boats if we had tons of money and could easily afford one of them, and therefore didn't consider the merits of the decades old boats. Yikes. More anger. This time just coming out as sarcasm. Anybody around here that might be able to refer me to a good therapist? I might have some anger management issues.

@vtmecheng "that's a lot of anger over boat opinions" Yup, I've had a pretty anger filled day. Sorry everybody. Apparently I decided to release all my venom on my #1 BOS pet peeve that I'm usually able to keep held in while I tell myself "serenity now".

To be fair: Is the new Nautique possibly likely, higher than average, to offering folks a poor experience because one of the settings or parameters might be wrong? Sure. It sounds like it. So go ahead and classify it as "a boat that should be owned by folks who pay attention to and know how to use their stuff". Otherwise known as "not fool-proof". Ok great. Is it also the most expensive boat on the market? Sure. So go ahead and classify it as "a boat for rich guys only" Ok great. But an epic fail? Really? That's just pure clickbait and trolling.

@JackQ The title is not somewhat inflammatory, it is very inflammatory. Then when you review what the OP said in his actual comments, it is not just that it was inflammatory, it's that it was also completely clickbait. Hence the reason for so many posts - because everybody is falling for the clickbait and getting caught up defending against the ridiculous arguments of a few trolls. Also, just one more thing for everybody, more general and not as totally specific to this exact thread: If you aren't worth $4 million bucks and/or have an annual income of more than $300k, please just shut up about the prices of the new Nautique. YOU AREN'T THEIR TARGET MARKET! THEY DON'T CARE THAT YOU CAN'T AFFORD THEIR BOAT! YOU JUST COME OFF AS ENVIOUS / JEALOUS / IMMATURE / SMUG / SOUR GRAPES / OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY. You would really be best served to stop trying to tell really rich people that their cool new toy "actually wasn't worth it." It makes you look bad - not the boat manufacturer, and not the rich guy who bought the boat. The same goes for any other brand of brand new boat (I mean tournament ski boat of course) if you aren't worth at least $2 million and/or have an annual income of at least $200k. Please, just shut up, acknowledge that you aren't wealthy enough to be their target market, and keep your opinions to yourself about what "worth it" might mean to a guy who is many times as wealthy as you are. And remember, I say this, as a "poor" person, who can just barely afford to keep skiing his 23 year old boat and absolutely LOVES his 23 year old boat.

@georgert I'm very sorry to hear this. I'm in Utah, parents in Farmington and a sibling in Bountiful as well as a coworker downtown. Yes, yesterday was a CRAZY day!! Oddly enough we were fairly calm in Draper. I wish you guys the best of luck. Out of morbid curiosity, can I ask what lake he was at and how it went down?

@jerrychabot Great to hear you are interested in a ski boat. I love it. Here are a couple of my opinions in your shoes. 1. Don't even think about living without perfect pass once you are hanging out in the course with your wife driving you. It's fine to buy a boat without it...but then put it on. 2. The 91-94 prostar hull is well known for having really small wakes, even at longer lines and slower speeds. Once you start running the course, you will discover that this means A LOT to a course newbie like yourself. So don't view a MC 190 from those years as "just newer" than the 80's boats. 3. I have a stepover open bow (97 SNOB) and I quite like it. I don't have the cold issues as mentioned and there is still room up there for some more folks. 4. I ride on Utah Lake, which has to be just as nasty, at times, as your lake. After a little bit of figuring it out, I haven't taken water over the front for years and years now. It really isnt' the end of the world at all. 5. Be careful about getting greedy about prices falling in the fall. It's all good right up until that moment that the flow of boats being sold just stops and you still haven't bought anything.

Thanks everybody. I should have mentioned - he's at 34 mph.

Thanks @Horton. I appreciate having a refuge from the madness.

Asking for a friend. Would love to hear folks opinions on recommended settings, both boot, and fin for a size small Denali C75. Thanks

Need to go put that thing on correct craft fan in order to ensure that somebody who appreciates it gets it.

Also, it will be important to define "insanely cold". My wife moved here from Norther Cal and thought the SLC winters were "insanely cold". Turns out, they are pretty mild in relation to some other locations not too far away.

Are you on the bottom end of the price range just looking for a course in a public lake? Or are you on the top end of the price range looking for a million dollar mansion on a manmade private? Or somewhere in between? Obviously the recommendations will be drastically different depending on how this is answered.

Why in the world are you selling? This seemed like the perfect boat for you?

@Such_a_brett With your hired professional drivers, what are you thinking as far as what their season looks like? Obviously you can keep them busy from June 1st through August 31st. And then you can PROBABLY keep them pretty busy through may and September as well. However, for the months of March, April, October, and the beginning of November, the demand will probably be about 10% of what it was during the summer months. Obviously, that isn't enough to keep paying full time drivers just to sit there, but it is enough of your clientele that want to keep riding in drysuits that there will be a lot of unhappy customers if there isn't some program for them to be able to "certify" as a driver for the off-peak season some way some how, maybe even with some special rules of some type. There are a lot of ways to make this situation work out, but I would be interested to hear your thoughts on what you think will be the way you make it work.

@akale15 Ha ha ha!! Yup, "harsh reality" is definitely the right word. When it comes to waterfront property in the desert, the supply is small and the demand is large. Even non-waterfront property here in Utah has become really expensive to the extent that these prices look really reasonable in comparison to average standard lot prices. As you mention, the prices only look good once you compare them to the alternatives here in Utah. I do also feel that the overcrowding will not be a problem very often. Of course on the 4th of July it's going to be hard to get a turn. Yes, I will admit that. Even an average saturday afternoon might be fairly tough to get very often. But having a professional driver and an app as discussed, especially one that is well thought out as mentioned will go a long way in efficiently getting lots of people a turn, even during the busy times. And again, that option only looks good when you consider the actual real alternatives available here in Utah, and at this general price point, the only alternative at all is to go out to a mountain reservoir that is ridiculously crowded at about 3 acres per boat and quickly realize that the water is so awful that the only thing to do that might even resemble fun is to go tubing. Yuck. I'll take my chances on getting a scheduled slot in an app all day every day.

Shoot, y'all are going to think I'm a shill or something getting paid for this, but seriously, I'm not. One more demographic thing that is just perfect here is the crossover capability. The families are legion here in Utah with parents that primarily want to ski and kids that primarily want to surf. The way that this will allow a family to allow each person in the family to get exactly what they want from their lake time is just awesome. So many parents here end up buying a surf boat to make the kids happy and then they never end up skiing ever again. This will allow the parents to continue skiing while also allowing their kids an avenue to surf. So awesome.

@DaveD "I'd hate to see the development look like row houses" Actually I kind of feel the opposite. Here in Utah, if you have big big money and are looking to live on a private waterski lake with great big mansions on it, you actually have quite a few choices in quite a few different locations. What you don't have any of is something that is more affordable than those lakes with a few compromises as a tradeoff. I'm going to guess that those lots along the lake are all in the ballpark of a third of an acre down to a quarter of an acre, shoot maybe some even go as small as a fifth. If so, I think that would be a beautiful balance point for SO many Utah families who have enough money to be willing to pay for something better than the local reservoir, but couldn't ever fathom the concept of the big mansions with boathouses and private docks on private lakes. This demographic is very large in Utah and the model that @Such_a_brett is putting forth would be a perfect in between compromise for people in this scenario. I am really surprised at how good of a pulse I think he has on what the Utah market is currently clamoring for. Obviously, a lake with only a few big mansions on it is really the ultimate dream. But what is being offered here is a much more realistic version of the dream that will appeal to tons of people who plan to never be able to afford a million dollar waterfront mansion.

@Such_a_brett Thanks for sharing those further details. I really like almost everything you are saying. Now if I could just find a job up in Logan instead of being stuck here in the Salt Lake Valley.

Unfortunately, nobody here is going to really know that (probably). If it were me, I would take that question to planetnautique or malibucrew or teamtalk. My guess is that there are even full blown surf forums out there, but I'm so disconnected to the surf world I don't even know what they are. Centurioncrew also. lots of surfers there too.

Awesome!!!! Do you have more concrete plans to share? I can't wait to see what you finalized on.

For those curious I skate also, and this drone thing looks just incredible. I would kill to get up into some of these remote mountain lakes here in Utah and do some skating on them behind a drone.

I went to my local pro shop last year with every intention of buying a masterline or intow, but I also knew I wanted to try a curved handle and my local pro shop didn't have any from those guys with curved handles, so I picked up the radar one. I think the vapor. I have been very happy with it so far.

Seems like a very logical move to me. As much as I'm sure it is painful, it seems like it's at least worth a try.

@brooks I'll come hang probably Friday Morning and chat about it for sure. I don't have a new ski in the budget for this year, but I do see it realistically for next year or the year after, so I'm starting to get very curious about it, especially where I am currently making progress in the course, and I'm wondering where that proper crossover point should be to the vapor. @Horton I will beg him at the demo sale to let me off with only a few weeks. Here's to hoping.

Alright, here I go to try to get a quad panda. @brooks I know we have been over this like a zillion times on this forum but maybe it changes from year to year given differences in different model years of skis? How should a guy decide if he is better off on a vapor or a senate? ...crossing fingers I don't get banned.