crashman Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I'm looking at used boats to pull me down the course on a private lake and these are the ones I'm considering thus far 1999 Prostar 1999 Supra Comp 1997 Response I'm currently skiing at longer lengths but hope to improve; My closest ski partner skis 28 off and hoping for 32 off- so performance at -35 and shorter isn't important at this point in my life Presume similar condition and price. So the basic question is this: I know the 1998-2000 prostar is not a favorite hull, but would you put it behind the comp and the response? I know the real answer is to wait until spring and ski behind each of them, but I appreciate your thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skihart Posted January 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 10, 2012 I am an MC guy but don't buy that boat....not a great hull...The response LX will be cheap and have a decent wake. My buddy has a 99 and it's pretty good, ski's nice and handles well. I think a 196 Nautique is a great option and are relatively inexpensive, at least around here, beacuase of the closed bow. I would stay away from the supra but I have never skied one...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ham_Wallace Posted January 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 10, 2012 Get a 1999 Reponse LX. Perfect boat for your application. Burns about 1/2 the fuel of the others.( You need the Monsoon engine and speed control) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted January 10, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted January 10, 2012 Owned a Supra - not a good long line boat. MC - bad yr is correct. Currently own a 97 SN - there isn't a better long line boat.. period. Of the 3 - Response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted January 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 10, 2012 Respone. Hands down. IMO Im not in love with MC. They have amazing trick wakes but thats it for me. Never skiied with a Supra. Malibu- that was an amazing hull and has amazing wake, driving, and spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted January 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 10, 2012 The Response of that vintage is a nice boat but not a SN 196 wake. Particularly for crashman and his buddies line lengths...they are going to spend a lot of time at 22 off. One of my partner's opener is 22 and he says the 196 is far better than the 'Bu at that length. 28 off to 38 off I'm happy behind either. The CC also tracks better and the driving position is better...not sitting so far down in the bathtub. I primarily ski a '97 196, a '00 196 and a '02 Response LX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashman Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 wow thanks for the replies. @6balls you're correct I'm hoping to spend a lot of time at 22 off. I'll start looking for a 196 97 or newer. It sounds like even if I spend a little more on it I can resale it more easily due to the strong following! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted January 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 10, 2012 Indeed the SN. We owned 2 of that era Prostars. Decent wake but tracked like a glorified Bayliner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashman Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 @ OB- sorry I didn't see your question about price- I'm looking to spend around 15k; The malibu I mentioned is asking 13,500 but doesn't have any speed control which I would have to add since my wife is sometimes the driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted January 10, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted January 10, 2012 Get a 196 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skihart Posted January 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 10, 2012 Oh you need speed control.....especially if your wife is driving!....it could save your marriage............seriously! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted January 10, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted January 10, 2012 If you are not in that big of a hurry to purchase a boat I would do a little more homework because their are a lot of great deals on boats that are far newer with speed control and at fire sale prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted January 10, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted January 10, 2012 @OB. idle flare problem ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Hugh Nichols Posted January 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 10, 2012 I would look for a '93 or '94 Mastercraft Prostar 190, with EFI, & if it dos not have it StarGazer cruise. If I was skiing long line alot thats what I would want....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Kelvin Posted January 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 10, 2012 Agree with Jack - there is a world of difference in the Bu wake between a 97 and the 98 diamond hull. Especially at 15 and 22 off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jlittle Posted January 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 10, 2012 @Wish yes, idle flare on the '97. Love my boat but that part still aggravates me to this day. When you start the boat the engine will run up to ~1500-1800 rpm (or something like that) and then settle in to idle. It takes about 10+ seconds. Which is forever when you need to get it in gear. From what I remember you could have it "fixed" but the reprogramming fee was outragous $ when I check into it in '98 or '99. And for what it's worth, when they changed over to the white dash, at times there was a lot of glare (reflection) off the inside glass that disturbed your view out the windshiled. Well compared to the black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Not_The_Pug Posted January 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 10, 2012 I have a 01 Ski Nautique I need to sell, so I can order a promo boat. It is loaded (Heater/Shower, Towing Cover, Bimini, GT-40) and skis great at all line lengths. Has Star Gazer already installed. It looks really good, I can send pictures if interested. I'm asking $16,500 obo with ZO emulator added on when available. Willing to talk about all options. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skihart Posted January 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 10, 2012 I agree with Hugh if you want to save a few bucks go with a 94 prostar, that was the first year of fuel injection. That being said, I used to own a 93 prostar 205 that was carbed that was probably my favourite boat I have ever owned. Go 98 or newer on a response LX and the SN is a really good bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted January 10, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted January 10, 2012 This ones in Orlando http://orlando.craigslist.org/boa/2792672704.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashman Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 @krlee if only I were closer to you! (I'm in Indiana) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted January 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 10, 2012 Check ski-it-again. Check www.onlyinboards.com and www.boattraderonline.com, central kentucky inboards (have heard good things and they can ship to you). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted January 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 10, 2012 Krlee's boat is a sweet boat! It is in great shape and skis really nicely - especially for slalom but with a bit of weight it is an excellent trick boat too. Way better than the new Nautiques for tricks and wakeboards. I bummed as many sets as possible behind his boat to avoid Stan's old Moomba. The only problem with his boat is that the gelcoat may be worn out from being wiped down and polished so much. Old Malibus are hard to beat. But a couple of members at my lake had 94 Mastercrafts. I loved my rides behind them, trick and slalom. One of the best all around hulls ever. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Not_The_Pug Posted January 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 10, 2012 Crashman, I'm sure we could work some shipping into it. I know a few dealers in the area I could work with them to get it shipped. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashman Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 @ OB I'm in Muncie IN- we ski at the Muncie Waterbowl about 45 miles NE of Indy; it's a bring your own boat club. What club did you ski at? Krlee- let me think about it- I made fun of my neighbor for buying a Supra Launch site unseen from California- of course we took it to the lake and it didn't start; I'm not sure he'd ever let me live it down if I did the same thing so I suppose I'd have to fly other there and take a few sets behind your boat before I would buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ilivetoski Posted January 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 10, 2012 Look on the west coast. Most dealerships went out of buisness or are barley surving. Obviously due to lack of boat sales. What you will find is New-old inventory. You might find an 08 or 09 196 or Lxi for price of a 5-6 year old one. The argument I used when I bought a boat like that "Yes, to you it is new, but to me the second I put it in the water, it is a 4 year old boat." Right there will get $8,000 off the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted January 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 10, 2012 I have a 2002 response which I think is on the same hull as the 98-99 and I don't have any issues with the wake at 15 or 22. It isn't as good as a new Nautique but you can certainly run the course behind it. I would think you could find a 99 or so Response in the price range you are looking for. I am one of the people that likes the open bow for when I have the family on the water which would rule the Nautiques out for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashman Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 so it's probably time for me to admit that I'm going to keep my V-drive boat as my open water/family boat/laker. I looked at selling it/trading it but for the price I can get it's just not worth it to me- especially since in order to get a family boat that is a ski boat I need it to seat 10 or more since we commonly boat as a 10 pack with my brother's family- rules out an LXI as my only boat; Trading it in on a new outback was going to cost me 15k- so I thought heck for 15k I can get a really good closed bow ski boat that does exactly what I want on the ski course- our course is tight so a small boat is ideal, and it's a private lake so I won't have to register it, plus I can keep my "laker" that does what I want for longer trips and family gatherings. My wife actually is in favor of this "2 boat system" so everybody wins. His boat/Hers boat. Don't shoot me- storage space is cheap in Indiana. And thanks for all your thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Not_The_Pug Posted January 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 10, 2012 Crashman, Come on out and we can do some skiing. As the others that know me on here can vouch, I would stand behind what I sold. Plus it has taken me years to convince my wife we should get a new boat. She really likes skiing behind this one and how it drives. Keep me posted, Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted January 10, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 10, 2012 Great plan. I have a boat w/capacity on my home public lake, a 196 on the swamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted January 11, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 11, 2012 @crashman based on that I would look at a 196. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bulldog Posted January 11, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 11, 2012 The response is the ONLY way to go on those three. "Do Better..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jipster43 Posted January 11, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 11, 2012 There's a 1994 Mastercraft Pro Tour on Ski-It-Again for $10,500. 690 hours on the corvette LT-1 engine and powerslot gear reduction. Perfect Pass cruise control. I can't imagine a better deal out there. I love the 1997 & newer 196's, but I own a '93 Mastercraft & the long line wake is as good as it gets. I'm tempted to sell my boat to slide into this one! http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?topic=Search&category=Comp_Boat&postid=13819 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted January 11, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 11, 2012 That would do quite nicely for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashman Posted January 11, 2012 Author Share Posted January 11, 2012 wow that is a nice looking one- I wish it was closer to me- or maybe I should move to California! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted January 11, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 11, 2012 I've been looking for an older boat too, and have emailed on that Pro Tour numerous times. Good luck getting ahold of the owner. There's a blue '94 on SIA too, where the owner is MIA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ntx Posted January 11, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 11, 2012 My want to reconsider the cost for transportation. In early Dec I was looking to have one shipped from Orlando to Austin. Cost we 4,500.00. I said, "time for a road trip" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skihart Posted January 11, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 11, 2012 Uship.com......is your friend....try it, you will be amazed at how cheap you can ship a boat.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller robscholl-OF Posted January 11, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 11, 2012 Crashman, Buy Kevins SN, you will not be disappointed. I have skied with him when he lived up here in the Seattle area and can vouch for the condition of his boat and how it skis. Heck, I bought his house when he moved to CA site on scene and could not have been more satisfied with the condition of the house. My two cents, OF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ctsmith Posted January 11, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 11, 2012 Uship.com......is your friend....try it, you will be amazed at how cheap you can ship a boat... Last year I got a quote from Uship of $595 from Washington to Alabama (thats a LONG haul). The longer lead time you give the better chance of getting a good deal because they can get you on a back haul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Kelvin Posted January 11, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 11, 2012 Last year I sold my boat to a guy in Australia. It needed to be shipped from Houston to Long Beach. He decided to use Uship.com. He made all of the choices and decisions. My boat made it to Long Beach and ultimately to Ausie without a hitch, but He tried to use the same guy to ship a couple of other boats to Long Beach. He prepaid the guy and never heard from him again. Do your homework on Uship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bdougherty Posted January 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2012 @ crashman I am also from Indiana and was in the same shoes as you last winter. 97 sn was my choice and could not be more satisfied. Brandon with central Kentucky inboards should be someone you get in touch with he sold my old boat to Australia without a hitch. Would always recommend his services. @ OB who is your friend as I am a member of Ski Klub of Indy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted January 12, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted January 12, 2012 I would advise you to evaluate each choice on the water prior to a purchase. Your favorite may not be someone elses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 FWIW and IMO- '98 MC... aka "Death Star" had VERY hard wakes at -15, -22; '99 same hull with 'sponsons(?)'- still pretty "crisp" at -22. '97 Malibu was better. No experience w/ Supra, but skied a couple Centurions, the hull looks... similar... '97 SN was/is a game changer for slalom wakes. Same hull thru 2000 I think. They got even better from there for slalom wakes. '92-'94 MC hulls were excellent at -15 and -22, drove like sports cars. Side spray at -32 and shorter, especially with any headwind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted January 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2012 When I shipped my 08 to it's new buyer last year in Bakersfield, they used Uship. The guy they used was delivering a big boat to the gulf coast and backhauled mine to them(Houston to Bakersfield) for $750. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller PurdueSkier Posted January 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2012 Crashman, I don't know anything about the boat or seller, but saw this in Knoxville TN. http://knoxville.craigslist.org/boa/2782102031.html It has the carbed motor and not EFI, but a great looking boat from the pictures and low hours. Great hull. I regularly ski behind a 94 (same hull). I have never seen an older MC with those colors. Looks sharp. Well below your budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted January 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2012 Cool color scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashman Posted January 12, 2012 Author Share Posted January 12, 2012 I definitely don't want to own a boat nicknamed the "death star" so I'm thankful for this forum for leading me into a better decision. A West Coast ski trip is sounding king of awesome right now- but actually I have a shot at getting a '99 196 from somebody I know if I can only convince him he needs a SN200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ctsmith Posted January 12, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 12, 2012 Cool color scheme Thats an awesome looking boat! http://images.craigslist.org/5Lc5J25M53F33I43H1c133a209a6abe7b15b4.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted January 13, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2012 That's a sweet mastercraft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bdougherty Posted January 13, 2012 Baller Share Posted January 13, 2012 @OB skied with Tom and his daughter a couple of times last year very nice family glad he joined the club. That sunsetter looks big on the trailer never seen the wakes but I remember him enjoying skiing behind a 196. @crashman, the 99 SN was my favorite make sure it has a gt 40 great motor with tons of power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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