Baller skinautique200 Posted July 31, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 31, 2012 Anyone know of what changes are going to be for the 2013 SN 200's, I heard that OJ props might be working on a prop for the 5.7. I want to change out our prop to the 422 but been waiting to see what the 2013 have on them, maybe Jody might know more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3 Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 My dealer said the only changes were to the interior and graphics. It's scheduled to be here next week so we'll see?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted August 1, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted August 1, 2012 Has anyone heard that the will only offer the 6 liter and no more 5.7? PCM may not want to back the engine in the 200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J3 Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 I didn't hear anything like that when I ordered mine. The CC order form had the 5.7 and I checked that box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted August 1, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2012 Yep, 5.7 still available. ZO built into Linc Display, also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted August 1, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2012 Heard from CC headquarters that 5.7 will still be available. @shaneh is linc standard or still an option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted August 1, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted August 1, 2012 Very Little changes for 2013: Zero Off will come in the Link display on boats equipped with said display. At this time Oj propellers are not available as stock or accessory item on the 200's. Aftermarket only The complete line of motors are available including the 5.7 on up to the SC motor. Graphic's changes yes! you can see some of the first ones in 2 weeks at the nationals as a number of the 13's will be pulling practice. Come by the Nautique booth at the Nationals we will be more then happy to show you around and answer any questions concerning the 2013 product line! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller unksskis Posted August 1, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2012 Props for integrating the "release" around Nationals, as well as pulling practice with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted August 2, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2012 The super charged motor in the '13?! Giggity goo!!! That thing will rock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted August 2, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2012 The XS-550 SC motor in a 200 would be plain nutty. The 550 in a G25 was a damn rocket and that thing is over twice the weight of a 200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjirsa Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 @MS who is your source? If I were PCM and had to replace 90 engines already this year. I'd drop the warranty too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted August 2, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted August 2, 2012 I am surprised that the 5.7 is still warranty with PCM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemsondave Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 The 5.7L going away has been a rumor for years. Never heard that from any credible source. The 5.7L is standard for 2013. I just went direct to the source about the other nonsense. PCM has not replaced 90 motors. There are no concerns with warranty. @horton, those posts are so ridiculous, please consider removing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted August 3, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 3, 2012 90 motors would be a decent % of the total 200's out there, so that would've been big news I'm guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted August 3, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 3, 2012 PCM has not replaced 90 5.7 343's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted August 3, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted August 3, 2012 Does anyone know how many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted August 3, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 3, 2012 Charles asked and they haven't warranty replaced 90 engines over the entire production run of the 5.7 343 for all boats/manufacturers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemsondave Posted August 3, 2012 Share Posted August 3, 2012 I don't know how many but have heard that it is a Chevrolet issue with the blocks. Nothing to do with PCM, Nautique or the 200. I only know of one that was replaced. I'm sure there were a few more, but not 90. And the companies are standing behind the product. Interesting that someone posted something that wasn't even bad about Masterline and everyone jumped on him. Now some nonsense is posted about Nautique and nothing is done. This is how rumors get started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted August 3, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 3, 2012 @MS just has a bug up his butt about CC replacing his much beloved 196. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted August 3, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted August 3, 2012 As a PCM dealer I have only heard of a couple of warranty replacements and these were catastrophic failure due to dumb ass service procedures by either the owner or unqualified service techs of the third kind. However PCM warrantied them because that's just how they roll! The reason why I know this is because I keep track on Warranty repaired motors that are available to dealers at a discounted price, at this time their are none available. The statement of 90 warranty replacement motors is just absurd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted August 3, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted August 3, 2012 I am pissed about the 196 but have no idea about PCM and replacement. I think @OB is getting a new one in his. If I were to get one I would get the 6 liter engine but that is another bunch of $$ on top of an already very expensive boat. I would just get a TXI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjirsa Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 Sorry to add to the rumor mill. Thanks for the updated info guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dave2ball Posted August 5, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 5, 2012 The 13 are nice looking saw on the other day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GAJ0004 Posted August 5, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 5, 2012 If the EPA would let us drill for oil, than boats would be affordable. The materials all come frompetroleum products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dave2ball Posted August 5, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 5, 2012 If oil goes up so does gel coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted August 5, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 5, 2012 @dave2ball @GAJ0004 Hopefully the US will be able to drill for oil once again next January, but I'm curious if CC will simply take the additional margin or lower the price? It doesn't seem that demand has suffered too much at current pricing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted August 5, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 5, 2012 I think U.S refineries are more of a problem. Many are being shut down with no new ones (EPA and THugs )to replace. more and more crude is being shipped out to be refined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GAJ0004 Posted August 5, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 5, 2012 I am sure the cost of Zero Off is inflated also since you can't put a competitor system on it. If they lose enough market share to competitors market forces will have them lower the price. It would be nice to see Tige' and Supra make 3 event boats again. Just having more choices in the market place keeps the price down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Sullivan Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 http://www.summersetmarine.com/pre_owned_detail.asp?sid=02727167X8K16K2012J6I01I47JPMQ3579R0&veh=2823402&nv=y Whats the new throttle all about. That color combo is interesting too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScarletArrow Posted August 17, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 17, 2012 That striping pattern looks awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted August 17, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 17, 2012 I can't decide on this one...I liked the original schemes, didn't like the 2012 as much with subtle stripes..certainly not in love w/the 2013 look. Love to ski it...have always thought the interior is kind of boxed off and utilitarian for so much $$ in the main cockpit. But the wakes are muy, muy bueno! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted August 17, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 17, 2012 Looks don't matter... all that does is the wake.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted August 17, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 17, 2012 Makes you wonder..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GAJ0004 Posted August 17, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 17, 2012 I like the new graphic, but the letters don't go with it. It will be interesting to see what they have available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted August 17, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 17, 2012 That graphic is optional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Johnson Posted August 17, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 17, 2012 Seeing it Live at Nationals, I thought it looked great, and better than my 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rodltg2 Posted August 17, 2012 Baller Share Posted August 17, 2012 I think the red/black/grey one looks awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsn200 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I have a 2012 200 with 5.7 and PCM is taking care of for excess oil consumption. I only started watching it because another friend of mine gave me a heads up. I was shocked to check the stick and it said add shortly after an oil change. I understand the problem has also occurred in the 6.0 so just make sure to keep an eye on the oil. Even if was normal for the kind of pull the 200 gives it would be worth it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted September 3, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 3, 2012 That makes sense. Burning that much oil was an indication that something in the engine was inherently wrong. Bad valves, some emission system not working correctly, etc. Must be an expensive fix for them to replace the whole block on that many boats. At least, they are acknowledging it and taking care of it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted September 3, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted September 3, 2012 It went from 90 to 120. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted September 3, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted September 3, 2012 Yea I see that! It does not make sense because Indmar, Ilmore, Merc, Marine power as well as PCM/Crusader purchase their motors from GM that come off the same assembly line and have not heard any of this from any other of the marinizers! Still call BS on the 90 or 120! Maybe total of replacements from all the marinizers which brings the percentages way down across the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemsondave Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 I thought this rumor was killed in the last thread. Today I spoke with the very top person at Nautique. He confirmed what he knew to be true with head CSR rep. I can assure you that if the number was even a tenth of what ya'll are saying, they would know. If one dealer replaced 5 motors, they would certainly know. All of this is 100% false and I wish things like this were monitored better. Like Jody said, maybe if you took all the motors PCM makes for various manufacturers, it might be a small percentage of that number. From a Nautique stand point, I'd bet it's less than a handful. I only know of one 200 and don't know the full story behind that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimsn200 Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Does anyone know if the 6.0 is much worse than the 5.7 on fuel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted September 4, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 4, 2012 One noticeable change would be the price... We are getting a new one, amd paying several hundreds more than two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Sullivan Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 All brands are going up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Roger Posted September 4, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 4, 2012 Our experience at Okeeheelee tournaments has been that the 6 liter uses less fuel than the 5.7. @jody seal - do you have any numbers on the fuel usage differences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted September 4, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted September 4, 2012 Sorry Roger not at this time do I have any fuel flow numbers for a 6 liter. Please keep in mind "again" for my own personal usage I run a OJ propeller and run substantially lower RPMs at ski speeds then a stock configured 409 200. As summer wains I will have some time to run some fuel number with a few different propellers just don't have the time right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted September 4, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 4, 2012 The Jet Black Metal Fake and Victory Red 2013 at the Nationals pulling the Big Dawg is my boat. The graphic is called the Progressive Package. I got a ton of complements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Not_The_Pug Posted September 4, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 4, 2012 @skierjp Please post a picture so we can check it out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemsondave Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 How cool is this? Look closely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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