Baller ScarletArrow Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 So earlier this summer, while at LaPoint ski park, a ski buddy jumped up and grabbed one of the support beams on the dock and cranked out 13 pull-ups in a row. I was impressed. He had just come through cancer treatments, lost some weight, got into the gym and, of course, back to skiing. Another ski friend, by consistently going to the gym, went from zero pull-ups to 3. My thought is the upper body muscles you use for pull-ups are the same when you are in a stacked position. A great pre-season workout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chuck_Dickey Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 10 pull-ups before each set, 2 set average. I try to hold my knees up while doing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 I'm stronger pulling than pushing. Always have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted August 7, 2014 Supporting Member Share Posted August 7, 2014 I think I could do 4 . Wouldn't bet much on it... My arms are too long for that stuff. Oh yeah and I'm weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rayn Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 Doesn't do anything for my stacked position which sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 IMO opposite muscles. Pull ups mostly elbow flexors, last etc. I hand over hand climb rope with out legs and once you can do 15 pull ups the next 5 go pretty easy. Push ups agility hips and core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted August 7, 2014 Baller_ Share Posted August 7, 2014 I do my pulling in the course. But I will say I had the best strength to weight ratio I ever had was 1.5 years outa Chemo. Also one of the best ski seasons I ever had. NOT a recommendation for weightless. In fact.....have you made your dermatologist appointment???? On track to having another year like that but lost the weight this time by not stuffing pie (breads/starches) in my pie hole. Strength to weight ratio matters. Will see. But leaving all the pulling to lake time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 It's great for not wanting to be sore your first set of the year. I'll give one workout in particular credit - P90X3 Challenge. Push ups and pull ups for a half hour solid. Brutal - but I love it. Absolutely kills your arms/chest/back/core. I have been skiing better this year, but less frequently. So not sure about correlation to stacked position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dchristman Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 I really didn't have any idea. I just read this after being out having several good IPA's (Stone Unapologetic? Un-something, not on their website) and went down to my ski handle hanging under the deck. I did 16, could probably do a few more. I can't see how it helps with the stack, but whatever helps! I"ll do more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 7, 2014 Administrators Share Posted August 7, 2014 I do not do them in the summer but in the winter I do sets of 12 pull-ups and dips Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopowpow Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I got up to 9 pull-ups last spring before I started skiing, not bad for a woman in her early 50s.... I could do more pull-ups than all of the other female trainers put together at my gym :) I used the following workout from Charles Poliquin: http://www.poliquingroup.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/1105/How_to_Radically_Improve_Your_Chin-Ups_in_16_Weeks.aspx This was the strongest I had ever felt starting the season, great grip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 10-15 for one set...then I'm gassed and wouldn't get 10 the next set and lucky to get 5 in another set. Better pusher than puller unlike my big bro @razorskier1 who is opposite but no slouch either way. Can do 100 push ups or 50 plus dips (or 15 dips with two 45 lb plates chained to my weight belt)...and at one time just missed 30 reps on the bench at 225. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kstateskier Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Bought a pull up tower several years ago and could only do 3-4 real ones without all the kicking and cheating that goes on in a pull up. These days I can easily do 3/ sets of 15+. At one time I was up to 3 sets of 20. Pull ups are a great ski/back exercise. Seems like theyre slow to come along and leave ya fast if you don't do them once or twice a week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 I've got a couple of gymnast sized former ski team buddies that can do pull ups til the cows come home...just silly. Amazing power to weight ratios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MrJones Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 Horton. I will need to see video evidence of that my brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Brady Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 Had a family dinner at a park this last Sunday and my nephew who just started playing football at BYU called me out and we had a pull up competition. This old fat man did 10....11 short of my nephew. Grrrr!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 7, 2014 Administrators Share Posted August 7, 2014 @MrJones doubt my skiing but not my word. I have not done any on months. I will do now. CRAP. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 7, 2014 Administrators Share Posted August 7, 2014 @MrJones yep. Just did 10 (slow and correct) and stopped as the tendons are not happy Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 I need better definition of a pull up/chin up. I do mine overhand and wide, not momentum assisted. 3 sets of 8-10 in the off season as part of my workouts. Palm up, close grip....different story, much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 I used to be in the 10+ group but I hurt my shoulder and think I could do 5 or 6 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bishop8950 Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 In a set can do about 25-30 kipping pretty quick, or about 20 strickt and slow. Skiing alone makes me strong for chin ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 So, my first Pro event in Chicago (desPlains, actually), the navy had a booth with a pull -up bar challenge. Not sure of the reason for the booth, but Lucky, after he skiid, did 100 legit pull ups. Seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Nando Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 As a fat old man I can still do 21-22. As a skinny high school kid I did 48 to be a gym class hero. Lucky's 100 is the feat of a god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 To work back muscles better, I do pull-ups with wide grip. 20+ strict, (30+ is the goal before Sept.) Haven't skied a lot this year so can't say it helps much there but it does enhance the sore muscle recovery and makes tying my shoes a little easer on the days after skiing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mwetskier Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 i can do one half of one if my toes can reach the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Texas6 Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 Pull-ups are a staple in my workout regimen and largely responsible in my opinion for my lack of ski related tendinitis. I used to get it every season and it has been a thing of the past for the last few seasons. Big tan of the pull-up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Edbrazil Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 Back in the back-back when, the standard was 15 pull-ups for the Marine Corps fitness test. Which max'd out your score, so no need to do more. That was back in the early 1960's. If my eyesight had been better, I would have been a pilot, but I ended up serving in the reserves. Where they kept threatening to send us to Viet Nam. These days, maybe I could do one or two. I'll have to give it a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MrJones Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 I guess this goes to technique. I do wide grip, palms down, hanging to full shoulder flexion pull ups as part of my winter work out. 3 sets of 10. I haven't done close grip, palms up, bicep pull ups in years as I struggle with biceps tendonitis. I would think that by doing palms up and short stroking a bit I could knock out a few. (Not going to try it 1 week before nationals though!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted August 7, 2014 Supporting Member Share Posted August 7, 2014 @mopowpow Add you to the list of women I find in every gym who can do more than I can in pretty much every exercise... But more strength always matters, even when the absolute numbers are low. So I'll keep walking up to the bench and taking off those plates that the last woman left behind!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimbrake Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 Real. Not kipping. And right now, with my elbow issues, more like 5 until pain is the stopper. Pull-ups are pretty easy to train for improvement. Just do 'em. I know I can get into the 12 to 15 range with a week of training. This elbow is really slowing me down right now. Weight-lifters/trainers: what do you think about deadlifts, snatches, cleans and squats for skiing? Water or snow I think they are all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 I am a legend in my own mind, 20 plus not strict, not during ski season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 Lucky can also do pull ups one handed, try that!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lagdawg Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 Real here as well can do more kipping. Right now I'm dealing with a shoulder injury so I'm only doing banded pull ups so I don't lose scapular tension in my injured shoulder. Otherwise anything hanging from a bar is out (ie Toes 2 Bar) as are push-ups, dips and bench press. Funny thing is that Snatches don't bother me at all and Jerks only bother me occasionally. I think that as long as I am recovering properly then any of those compound weight-lifting movements are great for my skiing. They work the whole body and I can definitely tell I'm stronger and more fit. Where I really noticed it was after big OTB jumping a couple weekends ago I never really got sore or hurt anywhere. I attribute that to my increased core strength/mobility/flexibility from performing those lifting movements. Granted I have drunk the Crossfit kool-aid so some people may discredit my comments just because of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 @lagdawg I feel your shoulder issue I haven't done any real upper body work since February. I am only right now starting to do some rowing. My legs and core are pretty good but I haven't even really deadlifted seriously since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortenit Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 A year ago would do a set of 12 strict as part of my workout. Zero since shoulder injury last August. After a year of rehab with initial improvement but none in several months I'm heading to HSS in NY for 2 consults with the Giants and Jets ortho's. Need to know if surgery is a realistic option or am I going to have to live with it. Have been able to ski in a limited way but at my age I'm more concerned about long term effects. Getting older sucks enough without a disability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerR Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I do 10 as part of my warm up every day in the gym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopowpow Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 @jimbrake, the olymic lifts are great for skiing, both water & snow. I like to do Romainian Deadlifts (slight bend in knee) to work the lower back, glutes, and hammies. Also do 'ass to the grass' or 'leave a stain' squats, deep squats are great for the lower body, you will probably need to drop the weight if currently doing 1/2 squats. I also do a lot of front squats, they recruit the core more than a back squat, and can't be cheated! When waterski season is over I spend some time doing split squats, especially with the front foot on a low bench. This helps balance out my legs and works on range of motion prior to getting into regular squats and deadlifts. I also do split squats with the back leg on a low bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mopowpow Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 @Than_Bogan, do you know when most women that lift, lift heavier when they know they can beat a guy in the gym? This mentality got me through a plateau last spring.... I was stuck at 6 pull-ups, saw a young pup struggle to do 6. I then made it to #7 on my next set, about puked, but got it! One of my clients about peed himself laughing when he figured out what I was doing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporting Member Than_Bogan Posted August 7, 2014 Supporting Member Share Posted August 7, 2014 @mopowpow Wow I never realized what a useful service I am providing! I can't imagine how many female lifters I have helped!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 I am amazed by the number of people that can do 20+ pull ups. That is very impressive 20 is a ton of pull ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfennell Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 @chef23 Yeah that is pretty impressive, the only time I've been able to do that many is when I was delivering party supplies 16 hours a day. That is the best exercise on earth! I am limited by a shoulder injury now so I cant do more then a few, but I think I could do 7-10 if I wasnt hurt. Edit: I just did 4 :( I think people might be confusing chinups with pullups? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MillerTime38 Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 @chef23, it is like the saying "everyone can run 38 on the internet" but substitute 20 pull ups for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 3 mile run in under 18 minutes is flying never mind doing the whole thing in under 18 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Razorskier1 Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 I never do these during the season. In fact, I don't go to the gym during the season. I have two seasons -- ski season, when I do nothing but ski, and gym season, when I train to ski. Can't say that pull ups in and of themselves matter in skiing. I did find this winter that doing cross fit with Jenny LaBaw made my core much stronger and made staying stacked and quiet on the ski much more consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimbrake Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 "do you even lift, bro?" If you don't know what that means, search for it on YouTube. Pretty funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klundell Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 @jimbrake ^^^^ ha ha ha and I'm a huge fan of the Olympic lifts and every lift that goes with training them. They are lifts that require a tremendous amount of pulling strength, with speed, agility, flexibility, and balance. Almost sounds like waterskiing. Do some heavy triples of hang cleans without putting the bar down and some kipping pull ups and you won't even be sore on your first day of skiing after the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DefectiveDave Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 I haven't tried these in years and now I remember why. Managed to get 7 while kicking like a baby on the last 2. Felt like I almost blew out my sphincter. I ski to trick myself into exercising, no more of this crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimbrake Posted August 7, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2014 @klundell - do you keep training during the ski season? I try to ride two days, swim one, and ski the others. After that I'm all give out. Come October I'll hit the weight room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Texas6 Posted August 8, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2014 I cut my lifting down to 3 days a week during the ski season instead of 4-5 and I cut out heavy deadlifts. I also try to always ski prior to my workout (early morn sets). That seems to work well for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted August 8, 2014 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2014 I had to look up a kipping...that's no chin-up...that's a momentum game with a certain technical component and also requires strength and endurance to do a pile of 'em. Apples to apples that is a different event than chin-ups...a pulling power to weight ratio game just like dips are a pushing power to weight ratio game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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